From: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>
To: Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/4] mm: document (m)THP defer usage
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 15:33:38 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8fbdd651-c965-4fa7-a715-e01092f5de7b@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250414222456.43212-3-npache@redhat.com>
On 4/14/25 3:24 PM, Nico Pache wrote:
> The new defer option for (m)THPs allows for a more conservative
> approach to (m)THPs. Document its usage in the transhuge admin-guide.
>
> Signed-off-by: Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>
> ---
> Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst | 31 ++++++++++++++++------
> 1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst
> index f0d4e78cedaa..d3f072bdd932 100644
> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst
> @@ -88,8 +88,9 @@ In certain cases when hugepages are enabled system wide, application
> may end up allocating more memory resources. An application may mmap a
> large region but only touch 1 byte of it, in that case a 2M page might
> be allocated instead of a 4k page for no good. This is why it's
> -possible to disable hugepages system-wide and to only have them inside
> -MADV_HUGEPAGE madvise regions.
> +possible to disable hugepages system-wide, only have them inside
> +MADV_HUGEPAGE madvise regions, or defer them away from the page fault
> +handler to khugepaged.
>
> Embedded systems should enable hugepages only inside madvise regions
> to eliminate any risk of wasting any precious byte of memory and to
> @@ -99,6 +100,15 @@ Applications that gets a lot of benefit from hugepages and that don't
> risk to lose memory by using hugepages, should use
> madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE) on their critical mmapped regions.
>
> +Applications that would like to benefit from THPs but would still like a
> +more memory conservative approach can choose 'defer'. This avoids
> +inserting THPs at the page fault handler unless they are MADV_HUGEPAGE.
> +Khugepaged will then scan the mappings for potential collapses into (m)THP
> +pages. Admins using this the 'defer' setting should consider
> +tweaking khugepaged/max_ptes_none. The current default of 511 may
> +aggressively collapse your PTEs into PMDs. Lower this value to conserve
> +more memory (ie. max_ptes_none=64).
i.e.,
> +
> .. _thp_sysfs:
>
> sysfs
> @@ -109,11 +119,14 @@ Global THP controls
>
> Transparent Hugepage Support for anonymous memory can be entirely disabled
> (mostly for debugging purposes) or only enabled inside MADV_HUGEPAGE
> -regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources) or enabled
> -system wide. This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of::
> +regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources), defered to
deferred
> +khugepaged, or enabled system wide.
> +
> +This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of::
>
> echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled
> echo madvise >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled
> + echo defer >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled
> echo never >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled
>
> where <size> is the hugepage size being addressed, the available sizes
> @@ -136,6 +149,7 @@ The top-level setting (for use with "inherit") can be set by issuing
> one of the following commands::
>
> echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
> + echo defer >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
> echo madvise >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
> echo never >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
>
> @@ -281,7 +295,8 @@ of small pages into one large page::
> A higher value leads to use additional memory for programs.
> A lower value leads to gain less thp performance. Value of
> max_ptes_none can waste cpu time very little, you can
> -ignore it.
> +ignore it. Consider lowering this value when using
> +``transparent_hugepage=defer``
>
> ``max_ptes_swap`` specifies how many pages can be brought in from
> swap when collapsing a group of pages into a transparent huge page::
> @@ -306,14 +321,14 @@ Boot parameters
>
> You can change the sysfs boot time default for the top-level "enabled"
> control by passing the parameter ``transparent_hugepage=always`` or
> -``transparent_hugepage=madvise`` or ``transparent_hugepage=never`` to the
> -kernel command line.
> +``transparent_hugepage=madvise`` or ``transparent_hugepage=defer`` or
> +``transparent_hugepage=never`` to the kernel command line.
>
> Alternatively, each supported anonymous THP size can be controlled by
> passing ``thp_anon=<size>[KMG],<size>[KMG]:<state>;<size>[KMG]-<size>[KMG]:<state>``,
> where ``<size>`` is the THP size (must be a power of 2 of PAGE_SIZE and
> supported anonymous THP) and ``<state>`` is one of ``always``, ``madvise``,
> -``never`` or ``inherit``.
> +``defer``, ``never`` or ``inherit``.
>
> For example, the following will set 16K, 32K, 64K THP to ``always``,
> set 128K, 512K to ``inherit``, set 256K to ``madvise`` and 1M, 2M
--
~Randy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-14 22:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-14 22:24 [PATCH v3 0/4] mm: introduce THP deferred setting Nico Pache
2025-04-14 22:24 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: defer THP insertion to khugepaged Nico Pache
2025-04-14 22:24 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm: document (m)THP defer usage Nico Pache
2025-04-14 22:33 ` Randy Dunlap [this message]
2025-04-14 22:24 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] khugepaged: add defer option to mTHP options Nico Pache
2025-04-14 22:24 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] selftests: mm: add defer to thp setting parser Nico Pache
2025-04-15 0:37 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] mm: introduce THP deferred setting Andrew Morton
2025-04-15 0:50 ` Andrew Morton
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