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From: "Theo de Raadt" <deraadt@openbsd.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	jeffxu@chromium.org, keescook@chromium.org, jannh@google.com,
	sroettger@google.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, usama.anjum@collabora.com,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, surenb@google.com, merimus@google.com,
	rdunlap@infradead.org, jeffxu@google.com, jorgelo@chromium.org,
	groeck@chromium.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	pedro.falcato@gmail.com, dave.hansen@intel.com,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 0/5] Introduce mseal
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 17:47:30 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <92453.1715730450@cvs.openbsd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240514160150.3ed0fda8af5cbd2f17c625e6@linux-foundation.org>

Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> > I worry that the non-atomicity will one day be used by an attacker.
> 
> How might an attacker exploit this?

Various ways which are going to be very application specific. Most ways
will depend on munmap / mprotect arguments being incorrect for some
reason, and callers not checking the return values.

After the system call, the memory is in a very surprising configuration.

Consider a larger memory region containing the following sections:

  [regular memory]  [sealed memory]  [regular memory containing a secret]

unmap() gets called on the whole region, for some reason.  The first
section is removed.  It hits the sealed memory, and returns EPERM.  It does
not unmap the sealed reason, not the memory containing the secret.

The return values of mprotect and munmap are *very rarely* checked,
which adds additional intrigue. They are not checked because these
system calls never failed in this way on systems before Linux.

It is difficult to write test programs which fail under the current ENOMEM
situation (the only current failure mode, AFAIK).  But with the new mseal()
EPERM condition, it will be very easy to write programs which leave memory
behind.

I don't know how you'll document this trap in the manual page, let me try.

    If msealed memory is found inside the range [start, start+len], 
    earlier memory will be unmapped, but later memory will remain unmapped
    and the system call returns error EPERM.

    If kernel memory shortage occurs while unmapping the region, early
    regions may be unmapped but higher regions may remain mapped, and
    the system call may return ENOMEM.

I feel so gross now, time for a shower..


  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-14 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-15 16:35 [PATCH v10 0/5] Introduce mseal jeffxu
2024-04-15 16:35 ` [PATCH v10 1/5] mseal: Wire up mseal syscall jeffxu
2024-04-15 18:12   ` Muhammad Usama Anjum
2024-04-15 18:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-04-15 19:06       ` Jeff Xu
2024-04-15 16:35 ` [PATCH v10 2/5] mseal: add " jeffxu
2024-04-16 14:59   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-04-16 15:17     ` Jann Horn
2024-04-16 16:42     ` Theo de Raadt
2024-04-15 16:35 ` [PATCH v10 3/5] selftest mm/mseal memory sealing jeffxu
2024-04-15 18:32   ` Muhammad Usama Anjum
2024-04-15 20:27     ` Jeff Xu
2024-04-16  0:34       ` Kees Cook
2024-05-02 11:24   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-02 15:18     ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-02 22:39     ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-03  8:30       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-04-15 16:35 ` [PATCH v10 4/5] mseal:add documentation jeffxu
2024-04-15 16:35 ` [PATCH v10 5/5] selftest mm/mseal read-only elf memory segment jeffxu
2024-04-16 15:13 ` [PATCH v10 0/5] Introduce mseal Liam R. Howlett
2024-04-16 19:40   ` Jeff Xu
2024-04-18 20:19     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-04-19  1:22       ` Jeff Xu
2024-04-19 14:57         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-04-19 15:14           ` Jeff Xu
2024-04-19 16:54             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-04-19 17:59         ` Pedro Falcato
2024-04-20  1:23           ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-14 17:46 ` Andrew Morton
2024-05-14 19:52   ` Kees Cook
2024-05-23 23:32     ` Kees Cook
2024-05-23 23:54       ` Andrew Morton
2024-05-24 15:19         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-14 20:59   ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-05-14 21:28     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-05-14 22:48       ` Theo de Raadt
2024-05-14 23:01         ` Andrew Morton
2024-05-14 23:47           ` Theo de Raadt [this message]
2024-05-15  2:58             ` Willy Tarreau
2024-05-15  3:36               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-15  4:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-15  6:14                   ` Willy Tarreau
2024-05-15  0:43         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-15  0:57           ` Theo de Raadt
2024-05-15  1:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-15  1:47               ` Theo de Raadt
2024-05-15  2:28                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-15  2:42                   ` Theo de Raadt
2024-05-15  4:53                     ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-05-14 21:28   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-05-15 17:18     ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-15 22:19       ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-05-16  0:59         ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-21 16:00           ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-05-21 20:55             ` Jeff Xu

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