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I know it used to, but no filesystem was actually doing >> that. So I changed mm to match how filesystems actually worked. >> I'm not sure if there's still documentation lying around that gets >> this wrong or if you're remembering how things used to be documented, >> but it's never how any filesystem has ever worked. >> >> We're achingly close to getting rid of PG_private_2. I think it's just >> ceph and nfs that still use it. > > I knew you were trying to get rid of it (hurrah! thank you), so when I > tried porting my lru_add_drainage to 6.12 I was careful to check whether > folio_expected_ref_count() would need to add it to the accounting there: > apparently yes; but then I was surprised to find that it's still present > in 6.17-rc, I'd assumed it gone long ago. > > I didn't try to read the filesystems (which could easily have been > inconsistent about it) to understand: what convinced me amidst all > the confusion was this comment and code in mm/filemap.c: > > /** > * folio_end_private_2 - Clear PG_private_2 and wake any waiters. > * @folio: The folio. > * > * Clear the PG_private_2 bit on a folio and wake up any sleepers waiting for > * it. The folio reference held for PG_private_2 being set is released. > * > * This is, for example, used when a netfs folio is being written to a local > * disk cache, thereby allowing writes to the cache for the same folio to be > * serialised. > */ > void folio_end_private_2(struct folio *folio) > { > VM_BUG_ON_FOLIO(!folio_test_private_2(folio), folio); > clear_bit_unlock(PG_private_2, folio_flags(folio, 0)); > folio_wake_bit(folio, PG_private_2); > folio_put(folio); > } > EXPORT_SYMBOL(folio_end_private_2); > > That seems to be clear that PG_private_2 is matched by a folio reference, > but perhaps you can explain it away - worth changing the comment if so. > > I was also anxious to work out whether PG_private with PG_private_2 > would mean +1 or +2: I don't think I found any decisive statement, > but traditional use of page_has_private() implied +1; and I expect > there's no filesystem which actually could have both on the same folio. I think it's "+1", like we used to have. I was seriously confused when discovering (iow, concerned about false positives): PG_fscache = PG_private_2, But in the end PG_fscache is only used in comments and e.g., __fscache_clear_page_bits() calls folio_end_private_2(). So both are really just aliases. [Either PG_fscache should be dropped and referred to as PG_private_2, or PG_private_2 should be dropped and PG_fscache used instead. It's even inconsistently used in that fscache. file. Or both should be dropped, of course, once we can actually get rid of it ...] So PG_private_2 should not be used for any other purpose. folio_start_private_2() / folio_end_private_2() indeed pair the flag with a reference. There are no other callers that would set/clear the flag without involving a reference. The usage of private_2 is declared deprecated all over the place. So the question is if we really still care. The ceph usage is guarded by CONFIG_CEPH_FSCACHE, the NFS one by NFS_FSCACHE, nothing really seems to prevent it from getting configured in easily. Now, one problem would be if migration / splitting / ... code where we use folio_expected_ref_count() cannot deal with that additional reference properly, in which case this patch would indeed cause harm. If all folio_expected_ref_count() callers can deal with updating that reference, all good. nfs_migrate_folio(), for example, has folio_test_private_2() handling in there (just wait until it is gone). ceph handles it during ceph_writepages_start(), but uses ordinary filemap_migrate_folio. Long story short: this patch is problematic if one folio_expected_ref_count() users is not aware of how to handle that additional reference. -- Cheers David / dhildenb