From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 00/13] khugepaged: mTHP support
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 22:43:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <95012dfc-d82d-4ae2-b4cd-1e8dcf15e44b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d110a84a-a827-48b4-91c5-67cec3e92874@lucifer.local>
>
> The one thing we absolutely cannot have is a default that causes this
> 'creeping' behaviour. This feels like shipping something that is broken and
> alluding to it in the documentation.
>
> I spoke to David off-list and he gave some insight into this and perhaps
> some reasonable means of avoiding an additional tunable.
>
> I don't want to rehash what he said as I think it's more productive for him
> to reply when he has time but broadly I think how we handle this needs
> careful consideration.
>
> To me it's clear that some sense of ratio is just immediately very very
> confusing, but then again this interface is already confusing, as with much
> of THP.
>
> Anyway I'll let David respond here so we don't loop around before he has a
> chance to add his input.
>
> Cheers, Lorenzo
>
[Resending because Thunderbird decided to use the wrong smtp server]
I've been summoned.
As raised in the past, I would initially only support specific values here like
0 : Never collapse with any pte_none/zeropage
511 (HPAGE_PMD_NR - 1) / default : Always collapse, ignoring pte_none/zeropage
Once could also easily support the value 255 (HPAGE_PMD_NR / 2- 1), but not sure
if we have to add that for now.
Because, as raised in the past, I'm afraid nobody on this earth has a clue how
to set this parameter to values different to 0 (don't waste memory with khugepaged)
and 511 (page fault behavior).
If any other value is set, essentially
pr_warn("Unsupported 'max_ptes_none' value for mTHP collapse");
for now and just disable it.
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-21 20:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-19 13:41 [PATCH v10 00/13] khugepaged: mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 01/13] khugepaged: rename hpage_collapse_* to collapse_* Nico Pache
2025-08-20 10:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 02/13] introduce collapse_single_pmd to unify khugepaged and madvise_collapse Nico Pache
2025-08-20 11:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-20 16:35 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-22 10:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-26 13:30 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 03/13] khugepaged: generalize hugepage_vma_revalidate for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-08-20 13:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-20 15:40 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 3:41 ` Wei Yang
2025-08-21 14:09 ` Zi Yan
2025-08-22 10:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-24 1:37 ` Wei Yang
2025-08-26 13:46 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 04/13] khugepaged: generalize alloc_charge_folio() Nico Pache
2025-08-20 13:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 05/13] khugepaged: generalize __collapse_huge_page_* for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-08-20 14:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-01 16:15 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 06/13] khugepaged: add " Nico Pache
2025-08-20 18:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-02 20:12 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 07/13] khugepaged: skip collapsing mTHP to smaller orders Nico Pache
2025-08-21 12:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 12:33 ` Dev Jain
2025-08-22 10:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 16:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 16:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 08/13] khugepaged: avoid unnecessary mTHP collapse attempts Nico Pache
2025-08-20 10:38 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 09/13] khugepaged: enable collapsing mTHPs even when PMD THPs are disabled Nico Pache
2025-08-21 13:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 10/13] khugepaged: kick khugepaged for enabling none-PMD-sized mTHPs Nico Pache
2025-08-21 14:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 14:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-22 6:59 ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-22 7:36 ` Dev Jain
2025-08-19 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 11/13] khugepaged: improve tracepoints for mTHP orders Nico Pache
2025-08-21 14:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH v10 12/13] khugepaged: add per-order mTHP khugepaged stats Nico Pache
2025-08-21 14:47 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 14:17 ` [PATCH v10 13/13] Documentation: mm: update the admin guide for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2025-08-21 15:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 21:55 ` [PATCH v10 00/13] khugepaged: mTHP support Andrew Morton
2025-08-20 15:55 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 15:01 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 15:13 ` Dev Jain
2025-08-21 15:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 15:25 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 15:27 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 15:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 16:46 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 16:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 17:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-21 20:43 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-08-22 10:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-22 14:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 14:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-22 15:33 ` Dev Jain
2025-08-26 10:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-28 9:46 ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-28 10:48 ` Dev Jain
2025-08-29 1:55 ` Baolin Wang
2025-09-01 16:46 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 2:28 ` Baolin Wang
2025-09-02 9:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 10:34 ` Usama Arif
2025-09-02 11:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 20:23 ` Usama Arif
2025-09-03 3:27 ` Baolin Wang
2025-09-04 2:54 ` Nico Pache
2025-09-04 2:44 ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 16:38 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-01 16:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-01 17:06 ` David Hildenbrand
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