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From: Michael Rubin <mrubin@google.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jack@suse.cz, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	david@fromorbit.com, hch@lst.de, axboe@kernel.dk
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] writeback: tracking subsystems causing writeback
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:49:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTimhsQdLV7UeMppz8mwzQPUfDQbvdNdOCiVnxdKM@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878w6bphc2.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>

Thanks for looking at this.

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> Michael Rubin <mrubin@google.com> writes:
>>     # cat /sys/block/sda/bdi/writeback_stats
>>     balance dirty pages                       0
>>     balance dirty pages waiting               0
>>     periodic writeback                    92024
>>     periodic writeback exited                 0
>>     laptop periodic                           0
>>     laptop or bg threshold                    0
>>     free more memory                          0
>>     try to free pages                       271
>>     syc_sync                                  6
>>     sync filesystem                           0
>
> That exports a lot of kernel internals in /sys, presumably read by some
> applications. What happens with the applications if the kernel internals
> ever change?  Will the application break?
>
> It would be bad to not be able to change the kernel because of
> such an interface.

I agree. This would put the kernel in a box a bit. Some of them
(sys_sync, periodic writeback, free_more_memory) I feel are generic
enough concepts that with some rewording of the labels they could be
exposed with no issue. "Balance_dirty_pages" is an example where that
won't work.

Are there alternatives to this? Maybe tracepoints that are compiled to be on?
A CONFIG_WRITEBACK_DEBUG that would expose this file?

Having this set of info readily available and collected makes
debugging a lot easier. But I admit I am not sure the best way to
expose them.

mrubin

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-19 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-19  0:30 [PATCH 0/3] writeback visibility Michael Rubin
2010-06-19  0:30 ` [PATCH 1/3] writeback: Creating /sys/kernel/mm/writeback/writeback Michael Rubin
2010-06-19 10:44   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-19 17:44     ` Michael Rubin
2010-06-19  0:30 ` [PATCH 2/3] writeback: per bdi monitoring Michael Rubin
2010-06-19  0:30 ` [PATCH 3/3] writeback: tracking subsystems causing writeback Michael Rubin
2010-06-19  8:17   ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-19 17:49     ` Michael Rubin [this message]
2010-06-19 20:23       ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-20 23:10 ` [PATCH 0/3] writeback visibility Dave Chinner
2010-06-21 17:09   ` Michael Rubin
2010-06-24  0:02     ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-25  7:15       ` Michael Rubin

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