From: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:02:19 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTinWmrDQ-88M0HJ724vN2qDQSQuN+mK24ChahF0+@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101122235331.23552604.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Andrew Morton
<akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:44:50 +0900 Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Andrew Morton
>> <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:05:39 +0900 Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Morton
>> >> >> > move it to the head of the LRU anyway. __But given that the user has
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why does it move into head of LRU?
>> >> >> If the page which isn't mapped doesn't have PG_referenced, it would be
>> >> >> reclaimed.
>> >> >
>> >> > If it's dirty or under writeback it can't be reclaimed!
>> >>
>> >> I see your point. And it's why I add it to head of inactive list.
>> >
>> > But that *guarantees* that the page will get a full trip around the
>> > inactive list. __And this will guarantee that potentially useful pages
>> > are reclaimed before the pages which we *know* the user doesn't want!
>> > Bad!
>> >
>> > Whereas if we queue it to the tail, it will only get that full trip if
>> > reclaim happens to run before the page is cleaned. __And we just agreed
>> > that reclaim isn't likely to run immediately, because pages are being
>> > freed.
>> >
>> > So we face a choice between guaranteed eviction of potentially-useful
>> > pages (which are very expensive to reestablish) versus a *possible*
>> > need to move an unreclaimable page to the head of the LRU, which is
>> > cheap.
>>
>> How about flagging SetPageReclaim when we add it to head of inactive?
>> If page write is complete, end_page_writeback would move it to tail of
>> inactive.
>
> ooh, that sounds clever. We'd want to do that for both PageDirty() and
> for PageWriteback() pages.
>
> But if we do it for PageDirty() pages, we'd need to clear PageReclaim()
> if someone reuses the page for some reason. We'll end up with pages
> all over the place which have PageReclaim set. I guess we could clear
> PageReclaim() in mark_page_accessed(), but that's hardly going to give
> us full coverage.
>
> hmm. Maybe just do it for PageWriteback pages. Then userspace can do
>
> sync_file_range(SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE);
> fadvise(DONTNEED);
>
> and all those pages which now have PageWriteback set will also get
> PageReclaim set.
>
> But we'd need to avoid races against end_io when setting PageReclaim
> against the PageWriteback pages - if the interrupt happens while we're
> setting PageReclaim, it will end up being incorrectly set.
>
Okay. I will see it and resend new version.
Thanks for good comment, Andrew.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-23 8:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-21 14:30 [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:30 ` [RFC 2/2] Prevent promotion of page in madvise_dontneed Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:38 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 16:34 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-22 0:31 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-22 22:21 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 4:57 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:50 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:49 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 15:21 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 7:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 13:48 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 23:48 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [RFC PATCH] fadvise support in rsync Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 15:35 ` Pádraig Brady
2010-11-24 0:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [PATCH 1/3] Add fadvise interface wrapper Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [PATCH 2/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in sender Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [PATCH 3/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in receiver Ben Gamari
2010-11-22 1:17 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Rik van Riel
2010-11-22 22:14 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 4:52 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 5:01 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 5:23 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 5:22 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 5:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 5:48 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 6:05 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 7:15 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 7:44 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 7:53 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 8:02 ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2010-11-23 9:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:32 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 14:55 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:58 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 20:35 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 22:10 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 18:01 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 7:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 7:40 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 7:42 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 8:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 8:44 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:02 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 9:05 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:07 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:57 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-24 0:13 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 9:28 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:24 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 10:02 ` Mel Gorman
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