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From: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Hiroyuki Kamezawa <kamezawa.hiroyuki@gmail.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Daisuke Nishimura <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/8] mm: memcg naturalization -rc2
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:51:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=AZG4LKUdeODB0uP=_CVBRnGs_Nw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110602075028.GB20630@cmpxchg.org>

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:05:18PM -0700, Ying Han wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Hiroyuki Kamezawa
>> <kamezawa.hiroyuki@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 2011/6/1 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> this is the second version of the memcg naturalization series.  The
>> >> notable changes since the first submission are:
>> >>
>> >>    o the hierarchy walk is now intermittent and will abort and
>> >>      remember the last scanned child after sc->nr_to_reclaim pages
>> >>      have been reclaimed during the walk in one zone (Rik)
>> >>
>> >>    o the global lru lists are never scanned when memcg is enabled
>> >>      after #2 'memcg-aware global reclaim', which makes this patch
>> >>      self-sufficient and complete without requiring the per-memcg lru
>> >>      lists to be exclusive (Michal)
>> >>
>> >>    o renamed sc->memcg and sc->current_memcg to sc->target_mem_cgroup
>> >>      and sc->mem_cgroup and fixed their documentation, I hope this is
>> >>      better understandable now (Rik)
>> >>
>> >>    o the reclaim statistic counters have been renamed.  there is no
>> >>      more distinction between 'pgfree' and 'pgsteal', it is now
>> >>      'pgreclaim' in both cases; 'kswapd' has been replaced by
>> >>      'background'
>> >>
>> >>    o fixed a nasty crash in the hierarchical soft limit check that
>> >>      happened during global reclaim in memcgs that are hierarchical
>> >>      but have no hierarchical parents themselves
>> >>
>> >>    o properly implemented the memcg-aware unevictable page rescue
>> >>      scanner, there were several blatant bugs in there
>> >>
>> >>    o documentation on new public interfaces
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your input on the first version.
>> >>
>> >> I ran microbenchmarks (sparse file catting, essentially) to stress
>> >> reclaim and LRU operations.  There is no measurable overhead for
>> >> !CONFIG_MEMCG, memcg disabled during boot, memcg enabled but no
>> >> configured groups, and hard limit reclaim.
>> >>
>> >> I also ran single-threaded kernbenchs in four unlimited memcgs in
>> >> parallel, contained in a hard-limited hierarchical parent that put
>> >> constant pressure on the workload.  There is no measurable difference
>> >> in runtime, the pgpgin/pgpgout counters, and fairness among memcgs in
>> >> this test compared to an unpatched kernel.  Needs more evaluation,
>> >> especially with a higher number of memcgs.
>> >>
>> >> The soft limit changes are also proven to work in so far that it is
>> >> possible to prioritize between children in a hierarchy under pressure
>> >> and that runtime differences corresponded directly to the soft limit
>> >> settings in the previously described kernbench setup with staggered
>> >> soft limits on the groups, but this needs quantification.
>> >>
>> >> Based on v2.6.39.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Hmm, I welcome and will review this patches but.....some points I want to say.
>> >
>> > 1. No more conflict with Ying's work ?
>> >    Could you explain what she has and what you don't in this v2 ?
>> >    If Ying's one has something good to be merged to your set, please
>> > include it.
>>
>> My patch I sent out last time was doing rework of soft_limit reclaim.
>> It convert the RB-tree based to
>> a linked list round-robin fashion of all memcgs across their soft
>> limit per-zone.
>>
>> I will apply this patch and try to test it. After that i will get
>> better idea whether or not it is being covered here.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>> > 4. This work can be splitted into some small works.
>> >     a) fix for current code and clean ups
>>
>> >     a') statistics
>>
>> >     b) soft limit rework
>>
>> >     c) change global reclaim
>>
>> My last patchset starts with a patch reverting the RB-tree
>> implementation of the soft_limit
>> reclaim, and then the new round-robin implementation comes on the
>> following patches.
>>
>> I like the ordering here, and that is consistent w/ the plan we
>> discussed earlier in LSF. Changing
>> the global reclaim would be the last step when the changes before that
>> have been well understood
>> and tested.
>>
>> Sorry If that is how it is done here. I will read through the patchset.
>
> It's not.  The way I implemented soft limits depends on global reclaim
> performing hierarchical reclaim.  I don't see how I can reverse the
> order with this dependency.

That is something I don't quite get yet, and maybe need a closer look
into the patchset. The current design of
soft_limit doesn't do reclaim hierarchically but instead links the
memcgs together on per-zone basis.

However on this patchset, we changed that design and doing
hierarchy_walk of the memcg tree. Can we clarify more on why we made
the design change? I can see the current design provides a efficient
way to pick the one memcg over-their-soft-limit under shrink_zone().

--Ying

>

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-02 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-01  6:25 [patch 0/8] mm: memcg naturalization -rc2 Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 1/8] memcg: remove unused retry signal from reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 2/8] mm: memcg-aware global reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 13:59   ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 15:01     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 16:14       ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 17:29         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 14:01           ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-07 12:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-06-08  9:30     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09  9:26       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-06-09 16:57         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 13:12   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-09 13:45     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 15:48   ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-09 17:23     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 23:41       ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-09 23:47         ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-10  0:34           ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-10  0:48             ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-11 20:39   ` Ying Han
2011-08-11 21:09     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-29  7:15       ` Ying Han
2011-08-29  7:22         ` Ying Han
2011-08-29  7:57           ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30  6:08             ` Ying Han
2011-08-29 19:04           ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-29 20:36             ` Ying Han
2011-08-29 21:05               ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30  7:07                 ` Ying Han
2011-08-30 15:14                   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-31 22:58                     ` Ying Han
2011-09-21  8:44                       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-29  8:07         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 3/8] memcg: reclaim statistics Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 4/8] memcg: rework soft limit reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02  5:37   ` Ying Han
2011-06-02 21:55   ` Ying Han
2011-06-03  5:25     ` Ying Han
2011-06-09 15:00       ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-10  7:36         ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-15 22:57           ` Ying Han
2011-06-16  0:33             ` Ying Han
2011-06-16 11:45             ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-15 22:48         ` Ying Han
2011-06-16 11:41           ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 5/8] memcg: remove unused soft limit code Johannes Weiner
2011-06-13  9:26   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 6/8] vmscan: change zone_nr_lru_pages to take memcg instead of scan control Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 13:30   ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 14:28     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-13  9:29   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 7/8] vmscan: memcg-aware unevictable page rescue scanner Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 13:27   ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 14:27     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 21:02     ` Ying Han
2011-06-02 22:01       ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 22:19         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 23:15           ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-03  5:08           ` Ying Han
2011-06-13  9:42   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-13 10:30     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-13 11:18       ` Michal Hocko
2011-07-19 22:47   ` Ying Han
2011-07-20  0:36     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-29  7:28       ` Ying Han
2011-08-29  7:59         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 8/8] mm: make per-memcg lru lists exclusive Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 13:16   ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 14:24     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 15:54       ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 17:57         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-08 15:04           ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-07 12:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-06-08  8:54     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09  9:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-08-11 20:33   ` Ying Han
2011-08-12  8:34     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-12 17:08       ` Ying Han
2011-08-12 19:17         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-15  3:01           ` Ying Han
2011-08-15  1:34       ` Ying Han
2011-08-15  9:39         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01 23:52 ` [patch 0/8] mm: memcg naturalization -rc2 Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02  0:35   ` Greg Thelen
2011-06-09  1:13     ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-02  4:05   ` Ying Han
2011-06-02  7:50     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 15:51       ` Ying Han [this message]
2011-06-02 17:51         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-08  3:45           ` Ying Han
2011-06-08  3:53           ` Ying Han
2011-06-08 15:32             ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09  3:52               ` Ying Han
2011-06-09  8:35                 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 17:36                   ` Ying Han
2011-06-09 18:36                     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 21:38                       ` Ying Han
2011-06-09 22:30                       ` Ying Han
2011-06-09 23:31                         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-10  0:17                           ` Ying Han
2011-06-02  7:33   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02  9:06     ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 10:00       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 12:59         ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-09  1:15           ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-09  8:43             ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09  9:31               ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-06-13  9:47 ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-13 10:35   ` Johannes Weiner

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