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From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	 baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
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	corbet@lwn.net, 21cnbao@gmail.com,  shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 20:54:18 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABzRoyYqGsABGVgXbH3Sts3yBsk7ED=BsKbcP3Skc-oWeFsN_w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABzRoyZm32HT2fDpSy_PRDxeXZVJD35+9YqRpn9XWix8jG6w8g@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 8:42 PM Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev> wrote:
>
> Hey Yafang,
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:53 AM Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This patch introduces a new BPF struct_ops called bpf_thp_ops for dynamic
> > THP tuning. It includes a hook bpf_hook_thp_get_order(), allowing BPF
> > programs to influence THP order selection based on factors such as:
> > - Workload identity
> >   For example, workloads running in specific containers or cgroups.
> > - Allocation context
> >   Whether the allocation occurs during a page fault, khugepaged, swap or
> >   other paths.
> > - VMA's memory advice settings
> >   MADV_HUGEPAGE or MADV_NOHUGEPAGE
> > - Memory pressure
> >   PSI system data or associated cgroup PSI metrics
> >
> > The kernel API of this new BPF hook is as follows,
> >
> > /**
> >  * @thp_order_fn_t: Get the suggested THP orders from a BPF program for allocation
> >  * @vma: vm_area_struct associated with the THP allocation
> >  * @vma_type: The VMA type, such as BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE if VM_HUGEPAGE is set
> >  *            BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE if VM_NOHUGEPAGE is set, or BPF_THP_VM_NONE if
> >  *            neither is set.
> >  * @tva_type: TVA type for current @vma
> >  * @orders: Bitmask of requested THP orders for this allocation
> >  *          - PMD-mapped allocation if PMD_ORDER is set
> >  *          - mTHP allocation otherwise
> >  *
> >  * Return: The suggested THP order from the BPF program for allocation. It will
> >  *         not exceed the highest requested order in @orders. Return -1 to
> >  *         indicate that the original requested @orders should remain unchanged.
> >  */
> > typedef int thp_order_fn_t(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >                            enum bpf_thp_vma_type vma_type,
> >                            enum tva_type tva_type,
> >                            unsigned long orders);
> >
> > Only a single BPF program can be attached at any given time, though it can
> > be dynamically updated to adjust the policy. The implementation supports
> > anonymous THP, shmem THP, and mTHP, with future extensions planned for
> > file-backed THP.
> >
> > This functionality is only active when system-wide THP is configured to
> > madvise or always mode. It remains disabled in never mode. Additionally,
> > if THP is explicitly disabled for a specific task via prctl(), this BPF
> > functionality will also be unavailable for that task.
> >
> > This feature requires CONFIG_BPF_GET_THP_ORDER (marked EXPERIMENTAL) to be
> > enabled. Note that this capability is currently unstable and may undergo
> > significant changes—including potential removal—in future kernel versions.
> >
> > Suggested-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> > Suggested-by: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
> > ---
> [...]
> > diff --git a/mm/huge_memory_bpf.c b/mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
> > new file mode 100644
> > index 000000000000..525ee22ab598
> > --- /dev/null
> > +++ b/mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
> > @@ -0,0 +1,243 @@
> > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> > +/*
> > + * BPF-based THP policy management
> > + *
> > + * Author: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
> > + */
> > +
> > +#include <linux/bpf.h>
> > +#include <linux/btf.h>
> > +#include <linux/huge_mm.h>
> > +#include <linux/khugepaged.h>
> > +
> > +enum bpf_thp_vma_type {
> > +       BPF_THP_VM_NONE = 0,
> > +       BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE,    /* VM_HUGEPAGE */
> > +       BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE,  /* VM_NOHUGEPAGE */
> > +};
> > +
> > +/**
> > + * @thp_order_fn_t: Get the suggested THP orders from a BPF program for allocation
> > + * @vma: vm_area_struct associated with the THP allocation
> > + * @vma_type: The VMA type, such as BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE if VM_HUGEPAGE is set
> > + *            BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE if VM_NOHUGEPAGE is set, or BPF_THP_VM_NONE if
> > + *            neither is set.
> > + * @tva_type: TVA type for current @vma
> > + * @orders: Bitmask of requested THP orders for this allocation
> > + *          - PMD-mapped allocation if PMD_ORDER is set
> > + *          - mTHP allocation otherwise
> > + *
> > + * Return: The suggested THP order from the BPF program for allocation. It will
> > + *         not exceed the highest requested order in @orders. Return -1 to
> > + *         indicate that the original requested @orders should remain unchanged.
>
> A minor documentation nit: the comment says "Return -1 to indicate that the
> original requested @orders should remain unchanged". It might be slightly
> clearer to say "Return a negative value to fall back to the original
> behavior". This would cover all error codes as well ;)
>
> > + */
> > +typedef int thp_order_fn_t(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> > +                          enum bpf_thp_vma_type vma_type,
> > +                          enum tva_type tva_type,
> > +                          unsigned long orders);
>
> Sorry if I'm missing some context here since I haven't tracked the whole
> series closely.
>
> Regarding the return value for thp_order_fn_t: right now it returns a
> single int order. I was thinking, what if we let it return an unsigned
> long bitmask of orders instead? This seems like it would be more flexible
> down the road, especially if we get more mTHP sizes to choose from. It
> would also make the API more consistent, as bpf_hook_thp_get_orders()
> itself returns an unsigned long ;)

I just realized a flaw in my previous suggestion :(

Changing the return type of thp_order_fn_t to unsigned long for consistency
and flexibility. However, I completely overlooked that this would prevent
the BPF program from returning negative error codes ...

Thanks,
Lance

>
> Also, for future extensions, it might be a good idea to add a reserved
> flags argument to the thp_order_fn_t signature.
>
> For example thp_order_fn_t(..., unsigned long flags).
>
> This would give us aforward-compatible way to add new semantics later
> without breaking the ABI and needing a v2. We could just require it to be
> 0 for now.
>
> Thanks for the great work!
> Lance


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-10 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10  2:44 [PATCH v7 mm-new 0/9] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 01/10] mm: thp: remove disabled task from khugepaged_mm_slot Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  5:11   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10  6:17     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  7:21   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 17:27   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-11  2:12     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11  2:28       ` Zi Yan
2025-09-11  2:35         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11  2:38         ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 13:47         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:48           ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 13:43   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:47     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 12:42   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 12:54     ` Lance Yang [this message]
2025-09-10 13:56       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11  2:48         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11  3:04           ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 14:45         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:42       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 14:58         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  7:58           ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  8:28     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 11:53       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:22         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:51   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  8:03     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:00       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-25 10:05   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-25 11:38     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 03/10] mm: thp: decouple THP allocation between swap and page fault paths Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:55   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  7:20     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 04/10] mm: thp: enable THP allocation exclusively through khugepaged Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:53   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-12  6:21     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:58   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  6:17     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 13:48       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:19         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 05/10] bpf: mark mm->owner as __safe_rcu_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 16:04   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 06/10] bpf: mark vma->vm_mm as __safe_trusted_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 17:08   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 17:30   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-11 17:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  3:56       ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12  3:50     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 07/10] selftests/bpf: add a simple BPF based THP policy Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 20:44   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-11  2:31     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 08/10] selftests/bpf: add test case to update " Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 09/10] selftests/bpf: add test cases for invalid thp_adjust usage Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 10/10] Documentation: add BPF-based THP policy management Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 11:11 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 0/9] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Lance Yang

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