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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>
Cc: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>,
	hanchuanhua@oppo.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, chrisl@kernel.org,
	david@redhat.com,  hannes@cmpxchg.org, hughd@google.com,
	kaleshsingh@google.com,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mhocko@suse.com, minchan@kernel.org,  nphamcs@gmail.com,
	ryan.roberts@arm.com, senozhatsky@chromium.org,
	 shakeel.butt@linux.dev, shy828301@gmail.com, surenb@google.com,
	 v-songbaohua@oppo.com, willy@infradead.org, xiang@kernel.org,
	 ying.huang@intel.com, hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] mm: support large folios swap-in for sync io devices
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 16:35:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkYu2v2VnMizVeOTHTNXXbdnd+UqaKhTRfrTC7THUiPPdA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bf232555-3653-40c7-bbdc-a8fe58a93a9e@gmail.com>

[..]
> >
> > On the other hand, if you read the code of zRAM, you will find zRAM has
> > exactly the same mechanism as zeromap but zRAM can even do more
> > by same_pages filled. since zRAM does the job in swapfile layer, there
> > is no this kind of consistency issue like zeromap.
> >
> > So I feel for zRAM case, we don't need zeromap at all as there are duplicated
> > efforts while I really appreciate your job which can benefit all swapfiles.
> > i mean, zRAM has the ability to check "zero"(and also non-zero but same
> > content). after zeromap checks zeromap, zRAM will check again:
> >
>
> Yes, so there is a reason for having the zeromap patches, which I have outlined
> in the coverletter.
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240627105730.3110705-1-usamaarif642@gmail.com/
>
> There are usecases where zswap/zram might not be used in production.
> We can reduce I/O and flash wear in those cases by a large amount.
>
> Also running in Meta production, we found that the number of non-zero filled
> complete pages were less than 1%, so essentially its only the zero-filled pages
> that matter.
>
> I believe after zeromap, it might be a good idea to remove the page_same_filled
> check from zram code? Its not really a problem if its kept as well as I dont
> believe any zero-filled pages should reach zram_write_page?

I brought this up before and Sergey pointed out that zram is sometimes
used as a block device without swap, and that use case would benefit
from having this handling in zram. That being said, I have no idea how
many people care about this specific scenario.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-09-04 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-21  7:45 [PATCH v7 0/2] mm: Ignite large folios swap-in support hanchuanhua
2024-08-21  7:45 ` [PATCH v7 1/2] mm: add nr argument in mem_cgroup_swapin_uncharge_swap() helper to support large folios hanchuanhua
2024-08-21  7:45 ` [PATCH v7 2/2] mm: support large folios swap-in for sync io devices hanchuanhua
2024-08-21 17:31   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-08-21 21:13     ` Barry Song
2024-08-23 17:56       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-08-26 19:46         ` Barry Song
2024-08-29  1:01           ` Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-08-29  2:24             ` Barry Song
2024-08-29  2:38               ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-03 18:24   ` Kairui Song
2024-09-03 18:38     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-03 20:07       ` Andrew Morton
2024-09-03 21:36         ` Barry Song
2024-09-03 22:05           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-04 21:30             ` Usama Arif
2024-09-04 23:10               ` Barry Song
2024-09-04 23:23                 ` Usama Arif
2024-09-04 23:27                   ` Barry Song
2024-09-04 23:35                   ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2024-09-22 23:57                     ` Barry Song
2024-09-23 10:22                       ` Usama Arif
2024-09-23 12:10                         ` Johannes Weiner
2024-09-23 16:53                           ` Yosry Ahmed

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