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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>
Cc: tj@kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, lizefan.x@bytedance.com,
	 cgroups@vger.kernel.org, longman@redhat.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
	 kernel-team@cloudflare.com,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	mhocko@kernel.org, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 3/3] cgroup/rstat: introduce ratelimited rstat flushing
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 12:25:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkbXgd1jHA2OYppdyfPnMR5aBtee0KxSHLBsZ=78eGG73w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33295077-e969-427a-badb-3e29698f5cfb@kernel.org>

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 3:17 AM Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 18/04/2024 23.00, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 4:00 AM Jesper Dangaard Brouer<hawk@kernel.org>  wrote:
> >> On 18/04/2024 04.21, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:51 AM Jesper Dangaard Brouer<hawk@kernel.org>  wrote:
> >>>> This patch aims to reduce userspace-triggered pressure on the global
> >>>> cgroup_rstat_lock by introducing a mechanism to limit how often reading
> >>>> stat files causes cgroup rstat flushing.
> >>>>
> [...]
>
> > Taking a step back, I think this series is trying to address two
> > issues in one go: interrupt handling latency and lock contention.
>
> Yes, patch 2 and 3 are essentially independent and address two different
> aspects.
>
> > While both are related because reducing flushing reduces irq
> > disablement, I think it would be better if we can fix that issue
> > separately with a more fundamental solution (e.g. using a mutex or
> > dropping the lock at each CPU boundary).
> >
> > After that, we can more clearly evaluate the lock contention problem
> > with data purely about flushing latency, without taking into
> > consideration the irq handling problem.
> >
> > Does this make sense to you?
>
> Yes, make sense.
>
> So, you are suggesting we start with the mutex change? (patch 2)
> (which still needs some adjustments/tuning)

Yes. Let's focus on (what I assume to be) the more important problem,
IRQ serving latency. Once this is fixed, let's consider the tradeoffs
for improving lock contention separately.

Thanks!

>
> This make sense to me, as there are likely many solutions to reducing
> the pressure on the lock.
>
> With the tracepoint patch in-place, I/we can measure the pressure on the
> lock, and I plan to do this across our CF fleet.  Then we can slowly
> work on improving lock contention and evaluate this on our fleets.
>
> --Jesper
> p.s.
> Setting expectations:
>   - Going on vacation today, so will resume work after 29th April.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-19 19:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-16 17:51 [PATCH v1 0/3] cgroup/rstat: global cgroup_rstat_lock changes Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-16 17:51 ` [PATCH v1 1/3] cgroup/rstat: add cgroup_rstat_lock helpers and tracepoints Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-16 21:36   ` Tejun Heo
2024-04-18  8:00     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-23 16:53   ` Simon Horman
2024-04-29 11:36     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-29 17:48       ` Simon Horman
2024-04-16 17:51 ` [PATCH v1 2/3] cgroup/rstat: convert cgroup_rstat_lock back to mutex Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-18  2:19   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-04-18  9:02     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-18 14:49       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-04-18 20:39         ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-04-19 13:15           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-19 16:11             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-04-19 19:21               ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-04-18 20:38       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-04-16 17:51 ` [PATCH v1 3/3] cgroup/rstat: introduce ratelimited rstat flushing Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-18  2:21   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-04-18 11:00     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-18 15:49       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-04-18 21:00       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-04-18 21:15         ` Tejun Heo
2024-04-18 21:22           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-04-18 21:32             ` Tejun Heo
2024-04-19 10:16         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-04-19 19:25           ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2024-04-16 21:38 ` [PATCH v1 0/3] cgroup/rstat: global cgroup_rstat_lock changes Tejun Heo
2024-04-18  2:13   ` Yosry Ahmed

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