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From: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	 Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>, Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	 Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 Ying Huang <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	 Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,  LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] mm, swap: use the swap table for the swap cache and switch API
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 10:12:09 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMgjq7AWQtbXMH4iOoV473wJj0TA8SEUyvsWKvsUP_=1oRuH9w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4w7iV0YU+sXdYPrzqXAdaLncoP7bnGx8ELcpETL6y+cOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> 于 2025年9月3日周三 07:44写道:
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 11:59 PM Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 6:46 PM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +
> > > > +/*
> > > > + * Helpers for accessing or modifying the swap table of a cluster,
> > > > + * the swap cluster must be locked.
> > > > + */
> > > > +static inline void __swap_table_set(struct swap_cluster_info *ci,
> > > > +                                   unsigned int off, unsigned long swp_tb)
> > > > +{
> > > > +       VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(off >= SWAPFILE_CLUSTER);
> > > > +       atomic_long_set(&ci->table[off], swp_tb);
> > > > +}
> > > > +
> > > > +static inline unsigned long __swap_table_get(struct swap_cluster_info *ci,
> > > > +                                            unsigned int off)
> > > > +{
> > > > +       VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(off >= SWAPFILE_CLUSTER);
> > > > +       return atomic_long_read(&ci->table[off]);
> > > > +}
> > > > +
> > >
> > > Why should this use atomic_long instead of just WRITE_ONCE and
> > > READ_ONCE?
> >
> > Hi Barry,
> >
> > That's a very good question. There are multiple reasons: I wanted to
> > wrap all access to the swap table to ensure there is no non-atomic
> > access, since it's almost always wrong to read a folio or shadow value
> > non-atomically from it. And users should never access swap tables
> > directly without the wrapper helpers. And in another reply, as Chris
> > suggested, we can use atomic operations to catch potential issues
> > easily too.
>
> I still find it odd that for writing we have the si_cluster lock,
> but for reading a long, atomic operations don’t seem to provide
> valid protection against anything. For example, you’re still
> checking folio_lock and folio_test_swapcache() in such cases.
>
>
> >
> > And most importantly, later phases can make use of things like
> > atomic_cmpxchg as a fast path to update the swap count of a swap
> > entry. That's a bit hard to explain for now, short summary is the swap
> > table will be using a single atomic for both count and folio tracking,
> > and we'll clean up the folio workflow with swap, so it should be
> > possible to get an final consistency of swap count by simply locking
> > the folio, and doing atomic_cmpxchg on swap table with folio locked
> > will be safe.
>
> I’m still missing this part: if the long stores a folio pointer,
> how could it further save the swap_count?

We use PFN here, it works very well, saves more memory and the
performance is very good, tested using the 28 series patch which have
already implemented this:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20250514201729.48420-25-ryncsn@gmail.com/

>
> >
> > For now using atomic doesn't bring any overhead or complexity, only
> > make it easier to implement other code. So I think it should be good.
>
> I guess it depends on the architecture. On some arches, it might
> require irq_disable plus a spinlock.

If an arch can't provide atomic for basic access to a long, then that
justified the usage of atomic here even more.. The read has to be
atomic since swap cache lookup is lockless, so the write should be
atomic too.

Xchg / cmpxchg is a bit more complex on some arches, they are optional
in the swap table anyway. We can use them only on arches that provide
better performance with atomic. I believe most arches do. For the xchg
debug check, it can be dropped once we are confident enough that there
is no hidden bug.

>
> Thanks
> Barry


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-03  2:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-22 19:20 [PATCH 0/9] mm, swap: introduce swap table as swap cache (phase I) Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 1/9] mm, swap: use unified helper for swap cache look up Kairui Song
2025-08-27  2:47   ` Chris Li
2025-08-27  3:50     ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 13:45     ` Kairui Song
2025-08-27  3:52   ` Baoquan He
2025-08-27 13:46     ` Kairui Song
2025-08-28  3:20   ` Baolin Wang
2025-09-01 23:50   ` Barry Song
2025-09-02  6:12     ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02  6:52       ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 10:06   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:32     ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 13:18       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 16:38     ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 10:10   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 17:13     ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03  8:00       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-03 17:41   ` Nhat Pham
2025-09-04 16:05     ` Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 2/9] mm, swap: always lock and check the swap cache folio before use Kairui Song
2025-08-27  6:13   ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 13:44     ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30  1:42       ` Chris Li
2025-08-27  7:03   ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 14:35     ` Kairui Song
2025-08-28  3:41       ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-28 18:05         ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30  1:53       ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 15:15         ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 17:17           ` Chris Li
2025-09-01 18:17         ` Kairui Song
2025-09-01 21:10           ` Chris Li
2025-09-02  5:40   ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 10:18   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 10:21     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:46     ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 13:27       ` Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 3/9] mm, swap: rename and move some swap cluster definition and helpers Kairui Song
2025-08-30  2:31   ` Chris Li
2025-09-02  5:53   ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 10:20   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:50     ` Chris Li
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 4/9] mm, swap: tidy up swap device and cluster info helpers Kairui Song
2025-08-27  3:47   ` Baoquan He
2025-08-27 17:44     ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 23:46       ` Baoquan He
2025-08-30  2:38         ` Chris Li
2025-09-02  6:01       ` Barry Song
2025-09-03  9:28       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02  6:02   ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 13:33   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 15:03     ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03  8:11       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 5/9] mm/shmem, swap: remove redundant error handling for replacing folio Kairui Song
2025-08-25  3:02   ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-25  9:45     ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30  2:41       ` Chris Li
2025-09-03  8:25   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 6/9] mm, swap: use the swap table for the swap cache and switch API Kairui Song
2025-08-30  1:54   ` Baoquan He
2025-08-30  3:40     ` Chris Li
2025-08-30  3:34   ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 16:52     ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31  1:00       ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 11:51         ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02  9:55   ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 11:58     ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 23:44       ` Barry Song
2025-09-03  2:12         ` Kairui Song [this message]
2025-09-03  2:31           ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 11:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-03 12:54     ` Kairui Song
2025-09-04  9:28       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 7/9] mm, swap: remove contention workaround for swap cache Kairui Song
2025-08-30  4:07   ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 15:24     ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 15:54       ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 20:06         ` Chris Li
2025-08-31 20:04       ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 10:06   ` Barry Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 8/9] mm, swap: implement dynamic allocation of swap table Kairui Song
2025-08-30  4:17   ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 11:15   ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 13:17     ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 16:57       ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 23:31       ` Barry Song
2025-09-03  2:13         ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 12:35         ` Chris Li
2025-09-03 20:52           ` Barry Song
2025-09-04  6:50             ` Chris Li
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 9/9] mm, swap: use a single page for swap table when the size fits Kairui Song
2025-08-30  4:23   ` Chris Li
2025-08-26 22:00 ` [PATCH 0/9] mm, swap: introduce swap table as swap cache (phase I) Chris Li
2025-08-30  5:44 ` Chris Li
2025-09-04 16:36   ` Kairui Song
2025-09-04 18:50     ` Chris Li

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