From: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>, Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Ying Huang <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] mm, swap: use the swap table for the swap cache and switch API
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 10:12:09 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMgjq7AWQtbXMH4iOoV473wJj0TA8SEUyvsWKvsUP_=1oRuH9w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4w7iV0YU+sXdYPrzqXAdaLncoP7bnGx8ELcpETL6y+cOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> 于 2025年9月3日周三 07:44写道:
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 11:59 PM Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 6:46 PM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +
> > > > +/*
> > > > + * Helpers for accessing or modifying the swap table of a cluster,
> > > > + * the swap cluster must be locked.
> > > > + */
> > > > +static inline void __swap_table_set(struct swap_cluster_info *ci,
> > > > + unsigned int off, unsigned long swp_tb)
> > > > +{
> > > > + VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(off >= SWAPFILE_CLUSTER);
> > > > + atomic_long_set(&ci->table[off], swp_tb);
> > > > +}
> > > > +
> > > > +static inline unsigned long __swap_table_get(struct swap_cluster_info *ci,
> > > > + unsigned int off)
> > > > +{
> > > > + VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(off >= SWAPFILE_CLUSTER);
> > > > + return atomic_long_read(&ci->table[off]);
> > > > +}
> > > > +
> > >
> > > Why should this use atomic_long instead of just WRITE_ONCE and
> > > READ_ONCE?
> >
> > Hi Barry,
> >
> > That's a very good question. There are multiple reasons: I wanted to
> > wrap all access to the swap table to ensure there is no non-atomic
> > access, since it's almost always wrong to read a folio or shadow value
> > non-atomically from it. And users should never access swap tables
> > directly without the wrapper helpers. And in another reply, as Chris
> > suggested, we can use atomic operations to catch potential issues
> > easily too.
>
> I still find it odd that for writing we have the si_cluster lock,
> but for reading a long, atomic operations don’t seem to provide
> valid protection against anything. For example, you’re still
> checking folio_lock and folio_test_swapcache() in such cases.
>
>
> >
> > And most importantly, later phases can make use of things like
> > atomic_cmpxchg as a fast path to update the swap count of a swap
> > entry. That's a bit hard to explain for now, short summary is the swap
> > table will be using a single atomic for both count and folio tracking,
> > and we'll clean up the folio workflow with swap, so it should be
> > possible to get an final consistency of swap count by simply locking
> > the folio, and doing atomic_cmpxchg on swap table with folio locked
> > will be safe.
>
> I’m still missing this part: if the long stores a folio pointer,
> how could it further save the swap_count?
We use PFN here, it works very well, saves more memory and the
performance is very good, tested using the 28 series patch which have
already implemented this:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20250514201729.48420-25-ryncsn@gmail.com/
>
> >
> > For now using atomic doesn't bring any overhead or complexity, only
> > make it easier to implement other code. So I think it should be good.
>
> I guess it depends on the architecture. On some arches, it might
> require irq_disable plus a spinlock.
If an arch can't provide atomic for basic access to a long, then that
justified the usage of atomic here even more.. The read has to be
atomic since swap cache lookup is lockless, so the write should be
atomic too.
Xchg / cmpxchg is a bit more complex on some arches, they are optional
in the swap table anyway. We can use them only on arches that provide
better performance with atomic. I believe most arches do. For the xchg
debug check, it can be dropped once we are confident enough that there
is no hidden bug.
>
> Thanks
> Barry
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-03 2:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-22 19:20 [PATCH 0/9] mm, swap: introduce swap table as swap cache (phase I) Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 1/9] mm, swap: use unified helper for swap cache look up Kairui Song
2025-08-27 2:47 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 3:50 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 13:45 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-27 3:52 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-27 13:46 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-28 3:20 ` Baolin Wang
2025-09-01 23:50 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 6:12 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 6:52 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 10:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:32 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 13:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 16:38 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 10:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 17:13 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 8:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-03 17:41 ` Nhat Pham
2025-09-04 16:05 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 2/9] mm, swap: always lock and check the swap cache folio before use Kairui Song
2025-08-27 6:13 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 13:44 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 1:42 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 7:03 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 14:35 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-28 3:41 ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-28 18:05 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 1:53 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 15:15 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 17:17 ` Chris Li
2025-09-01 18:17 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-01 21:10 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 5:40 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 10:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 10:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:46 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 13:27 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 3/9] mm, swap: rename and move some swap cluster definition and helpers Kairui Song
2025-08-30 2:31 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 5:53 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 10:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:50 ` Chris Li
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 4/9] mm, swap: tidy up swap device and cluster info helpers Kairui Song
2025-08-27 3:47 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-27 17:44 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 23:46 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-30 2:38 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 6:01 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 9:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 6:02 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 13:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 15:03 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 8:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 5/9] mm/shmem, swap: remove redundant error handling for replacing folio Kairui Song
2025-08-25 3:02 ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-25 9:45 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 2:41 ` Chris Li
2025-09-03 8:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 6/9] mm, swap: use the swap table for the swap cache and switch API Kairui Song
2025-08-30 1:54 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-30 3:40 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 3:34 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 16:52 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 1:00 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 11:51 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 9:55 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 11:58 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 23:44 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 2:12 ` Kairui Song [this message]
2025-09-03 2:31 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 11:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-03 12:54 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-04 9:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 7/9] mm, swap: remove contention workaround for swap cache Kairui Song
2025-08-30 4:07 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 15:24 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 15:54 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 20:06 ` Chris Li
2025-08-31 20:04 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 10:06 ` Barry Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 8/9] mm, swap: implement dynamic allocation of swap table Kairui Song
2025-08-30 4:17 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 11:15 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 13:17 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 16:57 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 23:31 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 2:13 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 12:35 ` Chris Li
2025-09-03 20:52 ` Barry Song
2025-09-04 6:50 ` Chris Li
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 9/9] mm, swap: use a single page for swap table when the size fits Kairui Song
2025-08-30 4:23 ` Chris Li
2025-08-26 22:00 ` [PATCH 0/9] mm, swap: introduce swap table as swap cache (phase I) Chris Li
2025-08-30 5:44 ` Chris Li
2025-09-04 16:36 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-04 18:50 ` Chris Li
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