From: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
To: Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>, Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Ying Huang <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/9] mm, swap: always lock and check the swap cache folio before use
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2025 23:15:41 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMgjq7B-Uvs7CcCdVaFjgzK6DEr47v7ULg6EbzE72OouPRFcSw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACePvbWnsrGxUv15R4kMpc10wsBE2Bc-rapGyBYjekrqFJgJbw@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 9:54 AM Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 7:36 AM Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 4:21 PM Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 12:21 PM Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > diff --git a/mm/shmem.c b/mm/shmem.c
> > > > index e9d0d2784cd5..b4d39f2a1e0a 100644
> > > > --- a/mm/shmem.c
> > > > +++ b/mm/shmem.c
> > > > @@ -2379,8 +2379,6 @@ static int shmem_swapin_folio(struct inode *inode, pgoff_t index,
> > > > count_vm_event(PGMAJFAULT);
> > > > count_memcg_event_mm(fault_mm, PGMAJFAULT);
> > > > }
> > > > - } else {
> > > > - swap_update_readahead(folio, NULL, 0);
> > >
> > > Also this update readahead move to later might have a similar problem.
> > > All the bail out in the move will lose the readahead status update.
> > >
> > > The readahead deed is already done. Missing the status update seems
> > > incorrect.
> >
> > Thanks for the detailed review.
> >
> > The only change I wanted here is that swap readahead update should be
> > done after checking the folio still corresponds to the swap entry
> > triggering the swapin. That should have slight to none effect compared
> > to before considering the extremely tiny time window. We are only
> > following the convention more strictly.
> >
> > In theory it might even help to reduce false updates: if the folio no
> > longer corresponds to the swap entry, we are hitting an unrelated
> > folio, doing a readahead update will either mislead vma readahead's
> > address hint, or could clean up the readahead flag of an unrelated
> > folio without actually using it. If the folio does get hit in the
> > future, due to the missing readahead flag, the statistic will go
> > wrong.
>
> So the missing readahead stats update behavior is the correct and
> better behavior. I suggest you spit that out as a separate patch with
> appropriate comments about it too. It is also easier to bisect the
> commit if that kind of the subtle change which is considered safe
> turns out causing a problem. Causing problem not happen very often but
> it does happen before.
Yes, I'm planning to split one patch out for the readahead change.
> > > > /*
> > > > - * Lookup a swap entry in the swap cache. A found folio will be returned
> > > > - * unlocked and with its refcount incremented.
> > > > + * swap_cache_get_folio - Lookup a swap entry in the swap cache.
> > > > *
> > > > - * Caller must lock the swap device or hold a reference to keep it valid.
> > > > + * A found folio will be returned unlocked and with its refcount increased.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * Context: Caller must ensure @entry is valid and pin the swap device, also
> > > Is the "pin" the same as "lock the swap device or hold a reference"?
> > > Not sure why you changed that comment to "pin".
> >
> > Yes it's the same thing. We don't lock the device though, the device
> > can be pinned by the refcounf (get_swap_device) or locking anything
> > that is referencing the device (locking PTL the a PTE that contains an
> > swap entry pointing to the device, or locking a swap cache folio of a
> > swap entry that points to the device). So I juse used the word "pin".
> > I added some comments in mm/swap.h in later commits about what the
> > "pin" means.
>
> In that case why not reuse the previous comment keeping "lock the swap
> device or hold a reference" instead of "pin"?
I'm worried that the sentence "lock the swap device" is kind of fuzzy,
people may misunderstand that they need to hold si->lock. Actually
they only need to hold si->user or lock anything. It's not wrong but
kind of overkill.
>
> > > It seems to me that you want to add the comment for the return value check.
> > > Is that it?
> >
> > Right, the caller has to check the folio before use, so I'm trying to
> > document this convention.
>
> Again, I recommend reducing the unnecessary impact to the code, make
> it more obvious what you did actually change. I spend quite some time
> there trying to figure out what you are trying to accomplish with the
> comments.
>
> > > > + * check the returned folio after locking it (e.g. folio_swap_contains).
> > > > */
> > > > struct folio *swap_cache_get_folio(swp_entry_t entry)
> > > > {
> > > > @@ -338,7 +340,10 @@ struct folio *__read_swap_cache_async(swp_entry_t entry, gfp_t gfp_mask,
> > > > for (;;) {
> > > > int err;
> > > >
> > > > - /* Check the swap cache in case the folio is already there */
> > > > + /*
> > > > + * Check the swap cache first, if a cached folio is found,
> > > > + * return it unlocked. The caller will lock and check it.
> > > > + */
> > > > folio = swap_cache_get_folio(entry);
> > > > if (folio)
> > > > goto got_folio;
> > > > diff --git a/mm/swapfile.c b/mm/swapfile.c
> > > > index 4b8ab2cb49ca..12f2580ebe8d 100644
> > > > --- a/mm/swapfile.c
> > > > +++ b/mm/swapfile.c
> > > > @@ -240,12 +240,12 @@ static int __try_to_reclaim_swap(struct swap_info_struct *si,
> > > > * Offset could point to the middle of a large folio, or folio
> > > > * may no longer point to the expected offset before it's locked.
> > > > */
> > > > - entry = folio->swap;
> > > > - if (offset < swp_offset(entry) || offset >= swp_offset(entry) + nr_pages) {
> > > > + if (!folio_contains_swap(folio, entry)) {
> > > > folio_unlock(folio);
> > > > folio_put(folio);
> > > > goto again;
> > > > }
> > > > + entry = folio->swap;
> > >
> > > Can you also check this as well? The "goto again" will have entries
> > > not assigned compared to previously.
> > > Too late for me to think straight now if that will cause a problem.
> >
> > Oh, thanks for pointing this part out. This patch is correct, it's the
> > original behaviour that is not correct. If the folio is no longer
> > valid (the if check here failed), changing the `entry` value before
> > could lead to a wrong look in the next attempt with `goto again`. That
> > could lead to reclaim of an unrelated folio. It's a trivial issue
> > though, only might marginally slow down the performance. Maybe I
> > should make a seperate patch to fix this issue first in case anyone
> > wants to backport it.
>
> Thanks for the explanation, please do split this subtle behavior
> change out with appropriate commit messages documenting your change,
> why it is safe and the better behavior.
>
> Thanks
Thanks for the review, I think separating 2 patches (one for
__try_to_reclaim_swap and one for readahead) out of this one should be
good enough and make everyone happy, overall the code is still the
same.
>
> Chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-30 15:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-22 19:20 [PATCH 0/9] mm, swap: introduce swap table as swap cache (phase I) Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 1/9] mm, swap: use unified helper for swap cache look up Kairui Song
2025-08-27 2:47 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 3:50 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 13:45 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-27 3:52 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-27 13:46 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-28 3:20 ` Baolin Wang
2025-09-01 23:50 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 6:12 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 6:52 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 10:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:32 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 13:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 16:38 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 10:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 17:13 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 8:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-03 17:41 ` Nhat Pham
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 2/9] mm, swap: always lock and check the swap cache folio before use Kairui Song
2025-08-27 6:13 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 13:44 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 1:42 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 7:03 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 14:35 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-28 3:41 ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-28 18:05 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 1:53 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 15:15 ` Kairui Song [this message]
2025-08-30 17:17 ` Chris Li
2025-09-01 18:17 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-01 21:10 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 5:40 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 10:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 10:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:46 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 13:27 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 3/9] mm, swap: rename and move some swap cluster definition and helpers Kairui Song
2025-08-30 2:31 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 5:53 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 10:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:50 ` Chris Li
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 4/9] mm, swap: tidy up swap device and cluster info helpers Kairui Song
2025-08-27 3:47 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-27 17:44 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 23:46 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-30 2:38 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 6:01 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 9:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 6:02 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 13:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 15:03 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 8:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 5/9] mm/shmem, swap: remove redundant error handling for replacing folio Kairui Song
2025-08-25 3:02 ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-25 9:45 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 2:41 ` Chris Li
2025-09-03 8:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 6/9] mm, swap: use the swap table for the swap cache and switch API Kairui Song
2025-08-30 1:54 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-30 3:40 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 3:34 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 16:52 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 1:00 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 11:51 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 9:55 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 11:58 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 23:44 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 2:12 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 2:31 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 11:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-03 12:54 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 7/9] mm, swap: remove contention workaround for swap cache Kairui Song
2025-08-30 4:07 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 15:24 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 15:54 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 20:06 ` Chris Li
2025-08-31 20:04 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 10:06 ` Barry Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 8/9] mm, swap: implement dynamic allocation of swap table Kairui Song
2025-08-30 4:17 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 11:15 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 13:17 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 16:57 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 23:31 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 2:13 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 12:35 ` Chris Li
2025-09-03 20:52 ` Barry Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 9/9] mm, swap: use a single page for swap table when the size fits Kairui Song
2025-08-30 4:23 ` Chris Li
2025-08-26 22:00 ` [PATCH 0/9] mm, swap: introduce swap table as swap cache (phase I) Chris Li
2025-08-30 5:44 ` Chris Li
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