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From: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
To: Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Jason Evans <je@fb.com>, Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	yalin.wang2010@gmail.com, bmaurer@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/13] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:30:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANcMJZB27S2DK_05WTfRAd40iacBr+hF0ivxAxh5Hs5eqaPyNA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151104200006.GA46783@kernel.org>

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org> wrote:
> Compared to MADV_DONTNEED, MADV_FREE's lazy memory free is a huge win to reduce
> page fault. But there is one issue remaining, the TLB flush. Both MADV_DONTNEED
> and MADV_FREE do TLB flush. TLB flush overhead is quite big in contemporary
> multi-thread applications. In our production workload, we observed 80% CPU
> spending on TLB flush triggered by jemalloc madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) sometimes.
> We haven't tested MADV_FREE yet, but the result should be similar. It's hard to
> avoid the TLB flush issue with MADV_FREE, because it helps avoid data
> corruption.
>
> The new proposal tries to fix the TLB issue. We introduce two madvise verbs:
>
> MARK_FREE. Userspace notifies kernel the memory range can be discarded. Kernel
> just records the range in current stage. Should memory pressure happen, page
> reclaim can free the memory directly regardless the pte state.
>
> MARK_NOFREE. Userspace notifies kernel the memory range will be reused soon.
> Kernel deletes the record and prevents page reclaim discards the memory. If the
> memory isn't reclaimed, userspace will access the old memory, otherwise do
> normal page fault handling.
>
> The point is to let userspace notify kernel if memory can be discarded, instead
> of depending on pte dirty bit used by MADV_FREE. With these, no TLB flush is
> required till page reclaim actually frees the memory (page reclaim need do the
> TLB flush for MADV_FREE too). It still preserves the lazy memory free merit of
> MADV_FREE.
>
> Compared to MADV_FREE, reusing memory with the new proposal isn't transparent,
> eg must call MARK_NOFREE. But it's easy to utilize the new API in jemalloc.
>
> We don't have code to backup this yet, sorry. We'd like to discuss it if it
> makes sense.

Sorry to be so slow to reply here!

As Minchan mentioned, this is very similar in concept to the volatile
ranges work Minchan and I tried to push for a few years.

Here's some of the coverage (in reverse chronological order)
https://lwn.net/Articles/602650/
https://lwn.net/Articles/592042/
https://lwn.net/Articles/590991/
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.mm/98848
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.mm/98676
https://lwn.net/Articles/522135/
https://lwn.net/Kernel/Index/#Volatile_ranges


If you are interested in reviving the patch set, I'd love to hear
about it. I think its a really compelling feature for kernel
right-sizing of userspace caches.

thanks
-john

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-01 22:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-04  1:25 [PATCH v2 00/13] MADV_FREE support Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE) Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  2:16   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04 23:39     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  3:41       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04  2:29   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04 23:40     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  3:41   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04  5:50     ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04  5:53       ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04  6:04         ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 18:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04 22:05         ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-05 18:17           ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-05 20:13             ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-05 20:14               ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-05  0:13     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  0:42       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  0:56         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:29           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  1:48             ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 20:00   ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-04 21:16     ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 21:29       ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 21:43     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  1:33     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:37       ` Minchan Kim
2015-12-01 22:30     ` John Stultz [this message]
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] mm: define MADV_FREE for some arches Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] arch: uapi: asm: mman.h: Let MADV_FREE have same value for all architectures Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] mm: free swp_entry in madvise_free Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] mm: move lazily freed pages to inactive list Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] mm: clear PG_dirty to mark page freeable Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] mm: mark stable page dirty in KSM Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] x86: add pmd_[dirty|mkclean] for THP Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] sparc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] powerpc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] arm: add pmd_mkclean " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] arm64: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] mm: don't split THP page when syscall is called Minchan Kim
2015-12-05 11:10 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] MADV_FREE support Pavel Machek
2015-12-05 15:51   ` Daniel Micay

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