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From: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.de>
Cc: Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	 David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	 Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	 Vasily Averin <vasily.averin@linux.dev>,
	Matthew WilCox <willy@infradead.org>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/16] mm/sl[au]b: check if large object is valid in __ksize()
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 12:33:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANpmjNPbbugrbCFADy1C7PgaU-4PMd9UK90QiHKS-Md0ocqa3w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2207131205590.112646@gentwo.de>

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 at 12:07, Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.de> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022, Hyeonggon Yoo wrote:
>
> > > Why return 0 if there is an error and why bother the callers with these
> > > checks. BUG()?
> >
> > I thought BUG should be used when there is no other solution.
>
> Spurios returns of 0 that the caller has to check for is a solution?

It's never really been about the caller checking for 0, see below.

> > > I guess this is an error since the order-0 page cannot come from slab
> > > allocations.
> >
> > comment in ksize() says:
> >       "The caller must guarantee that objp points to a valid object
> >       previously allocated with either kmalloc() or kmem_cache_alloc()."
> >
> > It should not be used on order-0 page that is not allocated from slab. No?
>
> I guess we would need to check. Code could exist that does this.
>
> Getting a 0 size would be surprising too here. BUG()? Or WARN() and return
> PAGE_SIZE.

We shouldn't crash, so it should be WARN(), but also returning
PAGE_SIZE is bad. The intuition behind returning 0 is to try and make
the buggy code cause less harm to the rest of the kernel.

From [1]:

> Similarly, if you are able to tell if the passed pointer is not a
> valid object some other way, you can do something better - namely,
> return 0. The intuition here is that the caller has a pointer to an
> invalid object, and wants to use ksize() to determine its size, and
> most likely access all those bytes. Arguably, at that point the kernel
> is already in a degrading state. But we can try to not let things get
> worse by having ksize() return 0, in the hopes that it will stop
> corrupting more memory. It won't work in all cases, but should avoid
> things like "s = ksize(obj); touch_all_bytes(obj, s)" where the size
> bounds the memory accessed corrupting random memory.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/CANpmjNNYt9AG8RrGF0pq2dPbFc=vw2kaOnL2k5+8kfJeEMGuwg@mail.gmail.com/

Thanks,
-- Marco


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-13 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-12 13:39 [PATCH v3 00/15] common kmalloc v3 Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 1/15] mm/slab: move NUMA-related code to __do_cache_alloc() Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 14:29   ` Christoph Lameter
2022-07-13  9:39     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 2/15] mm/slab: cleanup slab_alloc() and slab_alloc_node() Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 03/15] mm/slab_common: remove CONFIG_NUMA ifdefs for common kmalloc functions Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 04/15] mm/slab_common: cleanup kmalloc_track_caller() Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 05/15] mm/sl[au]b: factor out __do_kmalloc_node() Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-28 14:45   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 06/15] mm/slab_common: fold kmalloc_order_trace() into kmalloc_large() Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-28 15:23   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-01 13:26     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-08-01 13:36       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-02  2:54         ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 07/15] mm/slub: move kmalloc_large_node() to slab_common.c Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 08/15] mm/slab_common: kmalloc_node: pass large requests to page allocator Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-28 16:09   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-01 14:37     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-08-01 14:44       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-02  8:59         ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-08-02  9:32           ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 09/15] mm/slab_common: cleanup kmalloc_large() Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-28 16:13   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 10/15] mm/slab: kmalloc: pass requests larger than order-1 page to page allocator Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-28 16:25   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 11/15] mm/sl[au]b: introduce common alloc/free functions without tracepoint Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-29  9:49   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 12/15] mm/sl[au]b: generalize kmalloc subsystem Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-29 10:25   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH v3 13/15] mm/slab_common: unify NUMA and UMA version of tracepoints Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-29 10:52   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH 14/16] mm/slab_common: drop kmem_alloc & avoid dereferencing fields when not using Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-29 11:23   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-02  9:22     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH 15/16] mm/slab_common: move definition of __ksize() to mm/slab.h Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-29 11:47   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-02  9:25     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 13:39 ` [PATCH 16/16] mm/sl[au]b: check if large object is valid in __ksize() Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-12 15:13   ` Christoph Lameter
2022-07-13  9:25     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-13 10:07       ` Christoph Lameter
2022-07-13 10:33         ` Marco Elver [this message]
2022-07-14  9:15           ` Christoph Lameter
2022-07-14 10:30             ` Marco Elver
2022-07-20 10:05               ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-07-29 11:50   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v3 00/15] common kmalloc v3 Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-14 10:06   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-08-15 12:59     ` Vlastimil Babka

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