linux-mm.kvack.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirsky <luto@kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bpetkov@suse.de>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Eduardo Valentin <eduval@amazon.com>,
	"Liguori, Anthony" <aliguori@amazon.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/17] mm/gup: Fixup p*_access_permitted()
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 16:29:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4hFCHGNadbMv8iTsLqbWm9rkBc7ww-Zax9tjaMJGrXu+w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxdHSYYA0HOctCXeqLMjku8WjuAcddCGR_Lr5sOfca10Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > So we actually need the pte_access_permitted() stuff if we want to
> > ensure we're not stepping on !PAGE_USER things.
>
> We really don't. Not in that complex and broken format, and not for every level.
>
> Also, while I think we *should* check the PAGE_USER bit when walking
> the page tables, like we used to, we should
>
>  (a) do it much more simply, not with that broken interface that takes
> insane and pointless flags
>
>  (b) not tie it together with this issue at all, since the PAGE_USER
> thing really is largely immaterial.
>
> The fact is, if we have non-user mappings in the user part of the
> address space, we _need_ to teach access_ok() about them, because
> fundamentally any "get_user()/put_user()" will happily ignore the lack
> of PAGE_USER (since those happen from kernel space).
>
> So I'd like to check PAGE_USER in GUP simply because it's a simple
> sanity check, not because it is important.
>
> And that whole "p??_access_permitted() checks against the current
> PKRU" is just incredible shit. It's currently broken, exactly because
> "current PKRU" isn't even well-defined when you do it across different
> threads, much less different address spaces.
>
> This is why I'm 100% convinced that the current
> "p??_access_permitted()" is just pure and utter garbage. And it's
> garbage at a _fundamental_ level, not because of some small
> implementation detail.

So do you want to do a straight revert of these that went in for 4.15:

5c9d2d5c269c mm: replace pte_write with pte_access_permitted in fault
+ gup paths
c7da82b894e9 mm: replace pmd_write with pmd_access_permitted in fault
+ gup paths
e7fe7b5cae90 mm: replace pud_write with pud_access_permitted in fault
+ gup paths

...or take Peter's patches that are trying to fix up the damage?

--
To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in
the body to majordomo@kvack.org.  For more info on Linux MM,
see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ .
Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a>

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-16  0:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-14 11:27 [PATCH v2 00/17] x86/ldt: Use a VMA based read only mapping Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] mm/gup: Fixup p*_access_permitted() Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 12:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 14:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 20:44       ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-14 20:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 21:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-15  5:04           ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-15  6:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-15  7:51               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-16  0:20                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-16  0:29                   ` Dan Williams [this message]
2017-12-16  1:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-16  1:25                       ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-16  2:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-16  2:48                           ` Al Viro
2017-12-16  2:52                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-16  3:00                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-16  3:21                               ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-16  1:29                       ` Dan Williams
2017-12-16  0:31                   ` Al Viro
2017-12-16  1:05                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-15  8:00             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-15 10:25               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-15 11:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-15 16:38                   ` Dan Williams
2017-12-18 11:54                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-18 18:42                       ` Dan Williams
2017-12-15 14:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] mm: Exempt special mappings from mlock(), mprotect() and madvise() Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:19   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 17:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-02 16:44       ` Dmitry Safonov
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] arch: Allow arch_dup_mmap() to fail Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:22   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] x86/ldt: Rework locking Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] x86/ldt: Prevent ldt inheritance on exec Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:32   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] x86/ldt: Do not install LDT for kernel threads Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 19:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 21:27     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] mm/softdirty: Move VM_SOFTDIRTY into high bits Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] mm/x86: Allow special mappings with user access cleared Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] mm: Provide vm_special_mapping::close Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] selftest/x86: Implement additional LDT selftests Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] selftests/x86/ldt_gdt: Prepare for access bit forced Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:20   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 19:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 21:22       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 21:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 21:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 22:02             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 22:14               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 22:24                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 22:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 22:11             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 22:15               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 22:30                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 22:23           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-12-14 22:50             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] mm: Make populate_vma_page_range() available Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] x86/mm: Force LDT desc accessed bit Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] x86/ldt: Reshuffle code Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:23   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 16:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-12-14 16:32       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-12-14 16:34         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 17:47           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] x86/ldt: Prepare for VMA mapping Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] x86/ldt: Add VMA management code Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] x86/ldt: Make it read only VMA mapped Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 12:03 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] x86/ldt: Use a VMA based read only mapping Thomas Gleixner
2017-12-14 12:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:35     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 17:50       ` Peter Zijlstra

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=CAPcyv4hFCHGNadbMv8iTsLqbWm9rkBc7ww-Zax9tjaMJGrXu+w@mail.gmail.com \
    --to=dan.j.williams@intel.com \
    --cc=David.Laight@aculab.com \
    --cc=aliguori@amazon.com \
    --cc=boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com \
    --cc=bpetkov@suse.de \
    --cc=brgerst@gmail.com \
    --cc=dave.hansen@intel.com \
    --cc=dvlasenk@redhat.com \
    --cc=eduval@amazon.com \
    --cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=hughd@google.com \
    --cc=jgross@suse.com \
    --cc=jpoimboe@redhat.com \
    --cc=keescook@google.com \
    --cc=kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=luto@kernel.org \
    --cc=peterz@infradead.org \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=will.deacon@arm.com \
    --cc=x86@kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).