From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs/exec: Explicitly unshare fs_struct on exec
Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 13:57:27 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D03AE210-6874-43B6-B917-80CD259AE2AC@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <h65sagivix3zbrppthcobnysgnlrnql5shiu65xyg7ust6mc54@cliutza66zve>
On May 13, 2025 6:05:45 AM PDT, Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 08:25:01AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>> On October 6, 2022 7:13:37 AM PDT, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
>> >On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:05 AM Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 01:27:34AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>> >> > The check_unsafe_exec() counting of n_fs would not add up under a heavily
>> >> > threaded process trying to perform a suid exec, causing the suid portion
>> >> > to fail. This counting error appears to be unneeded, but to catch any
>> >> > possible conditions, explicitly unshare fs_struct on exec, if it ends up
>> >>
>> >> Isn't this a potential uapi break? Afaict, before this change a call to
>> >> clone{3}(CLONE_FS) followed by an exec in the child would have the
>> >> parent and child share fs information. So if the child e.g., changes the
>> >> working directory post exec it would also affect the parent. But after
>> >> this change here this would no longer be true. So a child changing a
>> >> workding directoro would not affect the parent anymore. IOW, an exec is
>> >> accompanied by an unshare(CLONE_FS). Might still be worth trying ofc but
>> >> it seems like a non-trivial uapi change but there might be few users
>> >> that do clone{3}(CLONE_FS) followed by an exec.
>> >
>> >I believe the following code in Chromium explicitly relies on this
>> >behavior, but I'm not sure whether this code is in active use anymore:
>> >
>> >https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:sandbox/linux/suid/sandbox.c;l=101?q=CLONE_FS&sq=&ss=chromium
>>
>> Oh yes. I think I had tried to forget this existed. Ugh. Okay, so back to the drawing board, I guess. The counting will need to be fixed...
>>
>> It's possible we can move the counting after dethread -- it seems the early count was just to avoid setting flags after the point of no return, but it's not an error condition...
>>
>
>I landed here from git blame.
>
>I was looking at sanitizing shared fs vs suid handling, but the entire
>ordeal is so convoluted I'm confident the best way forward is to whack
>the problem to begin with.
>
>Per the above link, the notion of a shared fs struct across different
>processes is depended on so merely unsharing is a no-go.
>
>However, the shared state is only a problem for suid/sgid.
>
>Here is my proposal: *deny* exec of suid/sgid binaries if fs_struct is
>shared. This will have to be checked for after the execing proc becomes
>single-threaded ofc.
Unfortunately the above Chrome helper is setuid and uses CLONE_FS.
But to echo what Eric asked: what problem are you trying to solve?
-Kees
--
Kees Cook
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-13 20:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-06 8:27 [PATCH 0/2] fs/exec: Explicitly unshare fs_struct on exec Kees Cook
2022-10-06 8:27 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Kees Cook
2022-10-06 9:05 ` Christian Brauner
2022-10-06 10:48 ` David Laight
2022-10-06 14:13 ` Jann Horn
2022-10-06 15:25 ` Kees Cook
2022-10-06 15:35 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-13 13:05 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-05-13 15:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-13 20:57 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2025-05-13 21:09 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-13 22:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-14 0:03 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-05-14 15:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-14 15:42 ` Kees Cook
2025-05-15 16:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-13 23:15 ` Kees Cook
2022-10-14 3:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-10-14 3:54 ` Kees Cook
2022-10-14 15:35 ` Jann Horn
2022-10-18 7:09 ` Kees Cook
2022-10-18 11:19 ` Jann Horn
2022-10-14 22:03 ` David Laight
2022-11-28 17:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-10-06 8:27 ` [PATCH 2/2] exec: Remove LSM_UNSAFE_SHARE Kees Cook
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