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From: "Brendan Jackman" <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 19/22] mm/page_alloc: implement __GFP_UNMAPPED allocations
Date: Fri, 29 May 2026 15:02:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DIV92L7AZOHG.1FKDUXLPZEUK4@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DIJEIELZ5DJU.26LYHOT4WR7A2@google.com>

On Fri May 15, 2026 at 4:46 PM UTC, Brendan Jackman wrote:
> On Wed May 13, 2026 at 3:43 PM UTC, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
[...]
>> Uhh, speaking of compaction and reclaim... we rely on finding a whole free
>> pageblock in order to flip it. If that doesn't exist, the whole
>> get_page_from_freelist() will fail, and we might enter the
>> reclaim/compaction cycle in __allow_pages_slowpath(). But since we might
>> ultimately want an order-0 allocation, there won't be any compaction
>> attempted, because that code won't know we failed to flip a pageblock. And
>> the watermarks might look good and prevent reclaim as well I think? We
>> should somehow indicate this, and handle accordingly. Might not be trivial.
>> Or maybe reuse pageblock isolation code to do the migrations directly in
>> __rmqueue_direct_map?
>
> Ah, thanks, I suspect you are right.
>
> I did fear there would be some sort of case where this "not-quite
> reclaim" interacted badly with the actual reclaim, and I tried to test
> it by running some stuff in parallel with stress-ng (allocating
> __GFP_UNMAPPED via secretmem), and I didn't see a difference in the
> effective availability of memory. However, I suspect testing this is
> quite a deep art my "run these two commands that I copy pasted from an
> LLM suggestion" test was just crap.
>
> Do you have any workloads you can suggest for evaluating this kinda
> thing? We would definitely see it in Google prod (I think we see this
> kind of issue with our shrinker-based internal version of ASI distorting
> reclaim behaviour in ways even more subtle than this) but that is not a
> very practical experimental cycle...

I slop-coded a benchmark:

https://github.com/bjackman/kernel-benchmarks-nix/tree/master/packages/benchmarks/secretmem-vs-frag

It does some mmap/munmap patterns to try and generate fragmentation,
then spams secretmem allocations until it gets OOM-killed.

With this series, I see the OOM-kills happening noticeably sooner on a
1GiB VM:

metric: secretmem_allocated_bytes (B)   |  test: secretmem-vs-frag
+---------------------------------------------+---------+-------------+-------------+-----------------+-------------+-------+
| kernel_release                              | samples |        mean |         min | histogram       |         max | Δμ    |
+---------------------------------------------+---------+-------------+-------------+-----------------+-------------+-------+
| 7.0.0-rc4-next-20260319                     |       4 | 683,147,264 | 643,825,664 |               █ | 715,128,832 |       |
| 7.0.0-rc4-next-20260319-00028-gf00246eb72cd |       3 | 623,553,195 | 551,550,976 |            ███  | 692,060,160 | -8.7% |
+---------------------------------------------+---------+-------------+-------------+-----------------+-------------+-------+

So... I think maybe I've reproduced the issue you pointed out? I will
try and fix it and see if this degradation goes away.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-29 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-20 18:23 [PATCH v2 00/22] mm: Add __GFP_UNMAPPED Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 01/22] x86/mm: split out preallocate_sub_pgd() Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 19:42   ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 11:01     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-24 15:27   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-25 13:28     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 02/22] x86/mm: Generalize LDT remap into "mm-local region" Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 19:47   ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 12:01     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-23 12:57       ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-25 14:23   ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 03/22] x86/tlb: Expose some flush function declarations to modules Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 04/22] mm: Create flags arg for __apply_to_page_range() Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 05/22] mm: Add more flags " Brendan Jackman
2026-03-26 16:14   ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 06/22] x86/mm: introduce the mermap Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 07/22] mm: KUnit tests for " Brendan Jackman
2026-03-24  8:00   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 08/22] mm: introduce for_each_free_list() Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 13:46   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 09/22] mm/page_alloc: don't overload migratetype in find_suitable_fallback() Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 13:51   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 16:44     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 16:53       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 10/22] mm: introduce freetype_t Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 15:34   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 16:49     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 16:58       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 18:17   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 18:26   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-18  0:00     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 11/22] mm: move migratetype definitions to freetype.h Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 15:35   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 12/22] mm: add definitions for allocating unmapped pages Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:01   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 13/22] mm: rejig pageblock mask definitions Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:07   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 14/22] mm: encode freetype flags in pageblock flags Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:29   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 15/22] mm/page_alloc: remove ifdefs from pindex helpers Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:30   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-12  9:49     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 16/22] mm/page_alloc: separate pcplists by freetype flags Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13  8:46   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 17/22] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 18/22] mm/page_alloc: introduce ALLOC_NOBLOCK Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13  9:43   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-15 13:36     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-15 15:52       ` Gregory Price
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 19/22] mm/page_alloc: implement __GFP_UNMAPPED allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 15:43   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-15 16:46     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-29 15:02       ` Brendan Jackman [this message]
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 20/22] mm/page_alloc: implement __GFP_UNMAPPED|__GFP_ZERO allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 17:00   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-15 16:50     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 21/22] mm: Minimal KUnit tests for some new page_alloc logic Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 22/22] mm/secretmem: Use __GFP_UNMAPPED when available Brendan Jackman
2026-03-31 14:40   ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 16:17 ` [PATCH v2 00/22] mm: Add __GFP_UNMAPPED Gregory Price
2026-05-13 17:14   ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 17:28     ` Gregory Price
2026-05-13 17:38       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-13 17:59         ` Gregory Price
2026-05-15  9:31           ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-15 16:04             ` Gregory Price

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