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From: "Brendan Jackman" <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>
To: "Yosry Ahmed" <yosry@kernel.org>,
	"Brendan Jackman" <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>
Cc: "Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 21/26] mm/page_alloc: implement FREETYPE_UNMAPPED allocations
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2026 15:43:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DKPLICBIHQMP.2HPKI7JZXSUFV@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <anzinNUA6ZASDnvA@google.com>

On Wed Aug 12, 2026 at 10:26 PM BST, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> [..]
>>  static __always_inline
>>  struct page *rmqueue_buddy(struct zone *preferred_zone, struct zone *zone,
>>  			   unsigned int order, unsigned int alloc_flags,
>> @@ -3433,13 +3580,15 @@ struct page *rmqueue_buddy(struct zone *preferred_zone, struct zone *zone,
>>  			 */
>>  			if (!page && (alloc_flags & (ALLOC_OOM|ALLOC_HARDER)))
>>  				page = __rmqueue_smallest(zone, order, ft_high);
>> -
>> -			if (!page) {
>> -				spin_unlock_irqrestore(&zone->lock, flags);
>> -				return NULL;
>> -			}
>>  		}
>>  		spin_unlock_irqrestore(&zone->lock, flags);
>> +
>> +		/* Try changing direct map, now we've released the zone lock */
>> +		if (!page)
>> +			page = __rmqueue_direct_map(zone, order, alloc_flags, freetype);
>
> Is it intentional that this is called outside __rmqueue() and doesn't
> cover pcplists refills through rmqueue_bulk()?
>
> IIUC, we will never change a pageblock to unmapped to refill the
> pcplists, so the unmapped pcplists can get filled in two ways:
> (a) When unmapped pages are freed.
> (b) When a pageblock is converted here (in rmqueue_buddy()), if the
>     allocation only consumes part of it, the new allocation might move
>     the rest into the pcplist through rmqueue_bulk().
>
> Does this mean that unmapped pcplists are less effective in serving
> allocations? There is a tradeoff here because converting a pageblock to
> unmapped is expensive, so maybe this is the right choice to make, I am
> just wondering if this was intentional and/or if we tried it a different
> way.

Yeah I think this is all aligned with how I envisaged this working. I
have been assuming that changing pageblocks only happens:

1. When botting / changing between different kinds of workload.

2. When the system is quite distressed by memory pressure.

I think in both cases, proactively flipping a block just to refill
pcplists is unhelpful?

> Actuall, THPs are not covered by scenario (b) above if the pageblock
> size is the same as THP size, as the converted THPs are always consumed
> by the allocation, so the THP pcplist will only be filled when THPs are
> freed.
>
> I wonder if this would cause a problem for THP-heavy workloads (e.g.
> guest_memfd using THP, or any THP usage with ASI).

And again it doesn't feel right to proactively flip a block just to
create a pcplist. The cost of a pcplist miss is basically a bit of
cacheline contention while the cost of flipping a block is pretty high,
it seems well worth risking the former to avoid the latter.

> The other thing (that I probably mentioned elsewhere) is that kcompactd
> does not produce unmapped pageblocks, so it seems like THP allocations
> will mostly hit this code path and convert a pageblock to unmapped.

Yeah, I think making kcompactd produce unmapped blocks is a nice
standalone optimisation series and it can probably wait until someone
has a workload they can share the performance improvements from.

> Actually, if we do bulk conversion to unmapped (e.g. in kcompactd) we
> could batch the TLB shootdowns as well, but that should probably be done
> separately.

Oh, that's a good point though, coz that would also interact nicely with
pcplists. In theory we could allocate several contiguous pageblocks,
flip them with a single amortised flush, and then use that to refill
pcplists. But yeah this still feels like far future optimisations if and
when we actually knew it helped.

>> +		if (!page)
>> +			return NULL;
>> +
>>  	} while (check_new_pages(page, order));
>>  
>>  	/*



  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-15 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-26 22:22 [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:33   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-29 11:42     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 20:34   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31  5:21     ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-31 11:57       ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] mm/secretmem: make use of folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:40   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 21:06   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31 12:15     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 19:28       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07  0:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07  0:13           ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07  0:19             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07  0:29               ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 14:26                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 18:12                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 18:49                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 19:39                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 22:44                         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 22:48                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-08 13:56         ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-10 21:39           ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-10 21:46             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-13 15:32         ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-13 17:25           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-02 16:10   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-08  0:19   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] x86/mm: split out preallocate_sub_pgd() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 22:10   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 15:42     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:13   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 15:46     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] x86: move PAE PMD preallocation defines to header Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 23:59   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 15:49     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/tlb: Expose some flush function declarations to modules Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/mm: introduce mm-local region Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:27   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 16:10     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 22:29   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 16:23     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/mm: move LDT remap into " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 22:33   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] mm: Create flags arg for __apply_to_page_range() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] mm: Add more flags " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04  0:08   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 16:40     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/mm: introduce the mermap Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:40   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 16:44     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 18:38   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] mm: KUnit tests for " Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] mm: introduce freetype_t Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 22:23   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 10:37     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 23:02   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 10:48     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] mm: move migratetype definitions to freetype.h Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] mm/page_alloc: add support for freetypes with no freelist Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:13   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] mm: add definitions for allocating unmapped pages Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 19:53   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 11:22     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] mm: encode freetype flags in pageblock flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] mm/page_alloc: separate pcplists by freetype flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:52   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03  9:20     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-04 21:50     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 12:09       ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] mm/page_alloc: introduce ALLOC_NOBLOCK Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] mm/page_alloc: implement FREETYPE_UNMAPPED allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:18   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-15 14:12     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 23:41   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07  0:05     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 12:31     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 23:53   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-05 16:13     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:28     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-07  0:16   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:30     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-12 21:26   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:43     ` Brendan Jackman [this message]
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] mm: Minimal KUnit tests for some new page_alloc logic Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:30   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] mm: Split out NR_FREE_PAGES_BLOCKS_[UN]MAPPED Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:32   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] mm/page_alloc: always direct compact for unmapped allocs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:44   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-15 14:44     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-06 23:29   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] mm: plumb alloc flags into some alloc funcs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:52   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] mm: add fast path for AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-08-08  0:06   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman

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