From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
kernel-team@meta.com, "Liam R . Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
Nico Pache <nico.pache@linux.dev>,
Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 09/12] mm/collapse: open-code collapse_single_pmd() in its two callers
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2026 11:26:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <EAC13ADA-9B0D-4B16-A731-66062266854A@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqQaxyxQYD_1KHju@thinkstation>
On 11 Sep 2026, at 11:24, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2026 at 10:57:46AM -0400, Zi Yan wrote:
>> On Thu Sep 10, 2026 at 8:02 AM EDT, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
>>> From: "Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)" <kas@kernel.org>
>>>
>>> collapse_scan_pmd() and collapse_run_pmd() each have a clear locking
>>> contract. The scan is called with mmap_lock held for reading and returns
>>> with it still held. The collapse is called without it.
>>>
>>> collapse_single_pmd() kept that boundary inside itself. It dropped the
>>> lock on some paths and not others, and reported which by way of a bool its
>>> callers had to carry along and then act on.
>>>
>>> Open-code it in the two callers. Each scans under the lock it already
>>> holds and, on SCAN_SUCCEED, gives the lock up before running the collapse.
>>> khugepaged's lock_dropped and madvise_collapse()'s mmap_unlocked both go:
>>> the code dropping the lock is now the code that wanted to know.
>>>
>>> khugepaged's walk carries on to the next table while the scan keeps
>>> refusing, and ends once a collapse has taken the lock from under it.
>>> madvise_collapse() re-finds its VMA after a collapse, which it did before,
>>> and now uses a NULL vma to say that it has to. It still reports the drop
>>> to its own caller, from the line that does it.
>>>
>>> The lock is given up and taken again at the same points as before. No
>>> functional change.
>>>
>>> Assisted-by: LLM
>>> Signed-off-by: Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta) <kas@kernel.org>
>>> ---
>>> mm/khugepaged.c | 102 +++++++++++++++++++++++-------------------------
>>> 1 file changed, 49 insertions(+), 53 deletions(-)
>>>
>>
>> LGTM. Thanks.
>>
>> Reviewed-by: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
>>
>> One question:
>>
>> What prevents us from doing:
>> while () {
>> 1. mmap_lock
>> 2. scan_pmd
>> 3. mmap_unlock, bail out if needed
>> 4. run_pmd
>> }
>>
>> for both cases? It improves readability. What is the downside of
>> dropping the lock during multiple scans?
>
> The scan/run ratio.
>
> Once memory is mostly huge nearly every scan refuses, and a refused
> table is cheap: one pmd read for SCAN_PMD_MAPPED, one PTE walk under the
> PTL otherwise.
>
> In your version of the collapse loop, mmap lock/unlock plus VMA
> revalidation would dominate the cost. It is not productive.
>
> Note that scan in khugepaged is bounded by pages_to_scan so we would not
> hog the lock.
>
>> for madvise_collapse(), I see mmap_read_lock is held when it is called,
>> so it can be dropped at the entry and the code makes sure it is held at
>> the exit.
>
> That makes every MADV_COLLAPSE report lock_dropped, including one on a
> range that is already huge, which today never lets the lock go. The same
> performance consideration as above.
Got it. Thank you for the explanation.
Best Regards,
Yan, Zi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-11 15:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-10 12:02 [PATCH v2 00/12] mm/collapse: separate a collapse from its callers Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 01/12] mm/khugepaged: drop redundant mm_struct pin in madvise_collapse() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 02/12] mm/khugepaged: count collapses where khugepaged makes them Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 03/12] mm/khugepaged: rename mthp_present_ptes bitmap to eligible_ptes Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 04/12] mm/collapse: add collapse.h for the collapse interface Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 05/12] mm/collapse: state what a collapse may do in the policy Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 2:06 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 06/12] mm/collapse: drop the collapse_possible() wrapper Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 07/12] mm/collapse: name the per-table scan reset for what it resets Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 08/12] mm/collapse: separate scanning a PTE table from collapsing it Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 2:38 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-11 13:37 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 14:40 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 09/12] mm/collapse: open-code collapse_single_pmd() in its two callers Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 14:57 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-11 15:24 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 15:26 ` Zi Yan [this message]
2026-09-11 22:09 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 10/12] mm/collapse: work out the orders a VMA allows once per VMA Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 15:56 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 11/12] mm/collapse: declare the collapse interface in collapse.h Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 19:02 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-10 12:02 ` [PATCH v2 12/12] mm/collapse: implement MADV_COLLAPSE in madvise.c Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 15:06 ` [PATCH v2 00/12] mm/collapse: separate a collapse from its callers David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11 15:56 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 15:58 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-11 18:35 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
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