From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, dkegel@google.com,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] Recursive reclaim (on __PF_MEMALLOC)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:15:01 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708201210440.29092@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1187581894.6114.169.camel@twins>
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > <> What Christoph is proposing is doing recursive reclaim and not
> > > initiating writeout. This will only work _IFF_ there are clean pages
> > > about. Which in the general case need not be true (memory might be
> > > packed with anonymous pages - consider an MPI cluster doing computation
> > > stuff). So this gets us a workload dependant solution - which IMHO is
> > > bad!
> >
> > Although you will quite likely have at least a couple of MB worth of
> > clean program text. The important part of recursive reclaim is that it
> > doesn't so easily allow reclaim to blow all memory reserves (including
> > interrupt context). Sure you still have theoretical deadlocks, but if
> > I understand correctly, they are going to be lessened. I would be
> > really interested to see if even just these recursive reclaim patches
> > eliminate the problem in practice.
>
> were we much bothered by the buffered write deadlock? - why accept a
> known deadlock if a solid solution is quite attainable?
Buffered write deadlock? How does that exactly occur? Memory allocation in
the writeout path while we hold locks?
There are many worst case scenarios in the current reclaim implementation
that are not addressed and we so far have not addressed these because the
code is very sensitive and it is not clear that the complexity introduced
by these changes is offset by the benefits gained.
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-14 14:21 [RFC 0/3] Recursive reclaim (on __PF_MEMALLOC) Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:21 ` [RFC 1/3] Allow reclaim via __GFP_NOMEMALLOC reclaim Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:21 ` [RFC 2/3] Use NOMEMALLOC reclaim to allow reclaim if PF_MEMALLOC is set Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:21 ` [RFC 3/3] Test code for PF_MEMALLOC reclaim Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:36 ` [RFC 0/3] Recursive reclaim (on __PF_MEMALLOC) Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-14 15:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 19:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-14 19:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-15 12:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-15 13:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-15 14:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-15 13:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-15 14:34 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-15 20:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-15 20:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 3:29 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-16 20:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20 3:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20 19:15 ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2007-08-21 0:32 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-21 0:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-21 15:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-23 3:02 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 22:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-05 9:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-05 10:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-05 11:42 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-05 12:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-05 12:19 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-10 19:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 19:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-10 19:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 19:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-10 20:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 20:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-11 7:41 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 10:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-12 22:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13 8:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-13 18:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13 19:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-05 16:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-08 5:12 ` Mike Snitzer
2007-09-18 0:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-18 3:27 ` Mike Snitzer
[not found] ` <200709172211.26493.phillips@phunq.net>
2007-09-18 8:11 ` Wouter Verhelst
2007-09-18 9:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-18 16:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-18 19:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-18 9:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-18 18:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-18 20:13 ` Mike Snitzer
2007-09-10 19:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 19:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-10 20:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 20:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-26 17:44 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-26 17:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-27 22:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-10-27 23:08 ` Daniel Phillips
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