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From: Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Aneesh Kumar K V <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Zefan Li <lizefan.x@bytedance.com>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"cgroups@vger.kernel.org" <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Chen, Tim C" <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	"Yin, Fengwei" <fengwei.yin@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/vmscan: respect cpuset policy during page demotion
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 20:20:01 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y1kl8VbPE0RYdyEB@feng-clx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y1j7tsj5M0Md/+Er@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 05:19:50PM +0800, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Wed 26-10-22 16:00:13, Feng Tang wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 03:49:48PM +0800, Aneesh Kumar K V wrote:
> > > On 10/26/22 1:13 PM, Feng Tang wrote:
> > > > In page reclaim path, memory could be demoted from faster memory tier
> > > > to slower memory tier. Currently, there is no check about cpuset's
> > > > memory policy, that even if the target demotion node is not allowd
> > > > by cpuset, the demotion will still happen, which breaks the cpuset
> > > > semantics.
> > > > 
> > > > So add cpuset policy check in the demotion path and skip demotion
> > > > if the demotion targets are not allowed by cpuset.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > What about the vma policy or the task memory policy? Shouldn't we respect
> > > those memory policy restrictions while demoting the page? 
> >  
> > Good question! We have some basic patches to consider memory policy
> > in demotion path too, which are still under test, and will be posted
> > soon. And the basic idea is similar to this patch.
> 
> For that you need to consult each vma and it's owning task(s) and that
> to me sounds like something to be done in folio_check_references.
> Relying on memcg to get a cpuset cgroup is really ugly and not really
> 100% correct. Memory controller might be disabled and then you do not
> have your association anymore.
 
You are right, for cpuset case, the solution depends on 'CONFIG_MEMCG=y',
and the bright side is most of distribution have it on.

> This all can get quite expensive so the primary question is, does the
> existing behavior generates any real issues or is this more of an
> correctness exercise? I mean it certainly is not great to demote to an
> incompatible numa node but are there any reasonable configurations when
> the demotion target node is explicitly excluded from memory
> policy/cpuset?

We haven't got customer report on this, but there are quite some customers
use cpuset to bind some specific memory nodes to a docker (You've helped
us solve a OOM issue in such cases), so I think it's practical to respect
the cpuset semantics as much as we can.

Your concern about the expensive cost makes sense! Some raw ideas are:
* if the shrink_folio_list is called by kswapd, the folios come from
  the same per-memcg lruvec, so only one check is enough
* if not from kswapd, like called form madvise or DAMON code, we can
  save a memcg cache, and if the next folio's memcg is same as the
  cache, we reuse its result. And due to the locality, the real
  check is rarely performed.

Thanks,
Feng

> -- 
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-26 12:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-26  7:43 [PATCH] mm/vmscan: respect cpuset policy during page demotion Feng Tang
2022-10-26  7:49 ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-10-26  8:00   ` Feng Tang
2022-10-26  9:19     ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-26 10:42       ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-10-26 11:02         ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-26 12:08           ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-10-26 12:21             ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-26 12:35               ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-10-27  9:02                 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-27 10:16                   ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-10-27 13:05                     ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-26 12:20       ` Feng Tang [this message]
2022-10-26 15:59         ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-26 17:57           ` Yang Shi
2022-10-27  7:11             ` Feng Tang
2022-10-27  7:45               ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-27  7:51                 ` Feng Tang
2022-10-27 17:55               ` Yang Shi
2022-10-28  3:37                 ` Feng Tang
2022-10-28  5:54                   ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-28 17:23                     ` Yang Shi
2022-10-31  1:56                       ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-31  2:19                       ` Feng Tang
2022-10-28  5:09                 ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-10-28 17:16                   ` Yang Shi
2022-10-31  1:53                     ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-27  6:47           ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-27  7:10             ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-27  7:39               ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-27  8:01                 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-27  9:31                   ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-27 12:29                     ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-27 23:22                       ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-31  8:40                         ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-31  8:51                           ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-31  9:18                             ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-31 14:09                           ` Feng Tang
2022-10-31 14:32                             ` Michal Hocko
2022-11-07  8:05                               ` Feng Tang
2022-11-07  8:17                                 ` Michal Hocko
2022-11-01  3:17                     ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-26  8:26 ` Yin, Fengwei
2022-10-26  8:37   ` Feng Tang
2022-10-26 14:36 ` Waiman Long
2022-10-27  5:57   ` Feng Tang
2022-10-27  5:13 ` Huang, Ying
2022-10-27  5:49   ` Feng Tang
2022-10-27  6:05     ` Huang, Ying

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