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From: Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>
To: Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	patches@lists.linux.dev, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/12] mm, slub: remove percpu slabs with CONFIG_SLUB_TINY
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 11:04:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5frwZNPN++sqHLY@MiWiFi-R3L-srv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y5cob2jicdNoviU3@fedora>

On 12/12/22 at 05:11am, Dennis Zhou wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 11:54:28AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > On 11/27/22 12:05, Hyeonggon Yoo wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 06:12:00PM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > >> SLUB gets most of its scalability by percpu slabs. However for
> > >> CONFIG_SLUB_TINY the goal is minimal memory overhead, not scalability.
> > >> Thus, #ifdef out the whole kmem_cache_cpu percpu structure and
> > >> associated code. Additionally to the slab page savings, this reduces
> > >> percpu allocator usage, and code size.
> > > 
> > > [+Cc Dennis]
> > 
> > +To: Baoquan also.

Thanks for adding me.

> > 
> > > Wondering if we can reduce (or zero) early reservation of percpu area
> > > when #if !defined(CONFIG_SLUB) || defined(CONFIG_SLUB_TINY)?
> > 
> > Good point. I've sent a PR as it was [1], but (if merged) we can still
> > improve that during RC series, if it means more memory saved thanks to less
> > percpu usage with CONFIG_SLUB_TINY.
> > 
> > [1]
> > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vbabka/slab.git/tag/?h=slab-for-6.2-rc1
> 
> The early reservation area not used at boot is then used to serve normal
> percpu allocations. Percpu allocates additional chunks based on a free
> page float count and is backed page by page, not all at once. I get
> slabs is the main motivator of early reservation, but if there are other
> users of percpu, then shrinking the early reservation area is a bit
> moot.

Agree. Before kmem_cache_init() is done, anyone calling alloc_percpu()
can only get allocation done from early reservatoin of percpu area.
So, unless we can make sure nobody need to call alloc_percpu() before
kmem_cache_init() now and future.

The only drawback of early reservation is it's not so flexible. We can
only dynamically create chunk to increase percpu areas when early
reservation is run out, but can't shrink early reservation if system
doesn't need that much.

So we may need weigh the two ideas:
  - Not allowing to alloc_percpu() before kmem_cache_init();
  - Keep early reservation, and think of a economic value for
    CONFIG_SLUB_TINY.
 
start_kernel()
  ->setup_per_cpu_areas();
  ......
  ->mm_init();
      ......
      -->kmem_cache_init();


__alloc_percpu()
  -->pcpu_alloc()
     --> succeed to allocate from early reservation
      or
     -->pcpu_create_chunk()
        -->pcpu_alloc_chunk()
           -->pcpu_mem_zalloc()



  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-13  3:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-21 17:11 [PATCH 00/12] Introduce CONFIG_SLUB_TINY and deprecate SLOB Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-21 17:11 ` [PATCH 01/12] mm, slab: ignore hardened usercopy parameters when disabled Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-21 21:35   ` Kees Cook
2022-11-23 14:23     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24 11:16       ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-24 11:26         ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24 12:33       ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-21 17:11 ` [PATCH 02/12] mm, slub: add CONFIG_SLUB_TINY Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24  1:08   ` Roman Gushchin
2022-11-24 11:33   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-25  7:55     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-21 17:11 ` [PATCH 03/12] mm, slub: disable SYSFS support with CONFIG_SLUB_TINY Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24  1:12   ` Roman Gushchin
2022-11-24  9:00     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-21 17:11 ` [PATCH 04/12] mm, slub: retain no free slabs on partial list " Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24  1:12   ` Roman Gushchin
2022-11-24 11:38   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-21 17:11 ` [PATCH 05/12] mm, slub: lower the default slub_max_order " Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24  1:16   ` Roman Gushchin
2022-11-24 11:40   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-21 17:11 ` [PATCH 06/12] mm, slub: don't create kmalloc-rcl caches " Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-23 13:53   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24 12:06     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-24 12:12       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24 12:55         ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-24 13:23     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-24 14:25       ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-21 17:11 ` [PATCH 07/12] mm, slab: ignore SLAB_RECLAIM_ACCOUNT " Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24  1:20   ` Roman Gushchin
2022-11-24  9:09     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-24  9:21       ` Christoph Lameter
2022-11-27 23:11   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-21 17:11 ` [PATCH 08/12] mm, slub: refactor free debug processing Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-27 10:18   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-21 17:11 ` [PATCH 09/12] mm, slub: split out allocations from pre/post hooks Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-27 10:54   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-27 23:01     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-28 13:06       ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-21 17:12 ` [PATCH 10/12] mm, slub: remove percpu slabs with CONFIG_SLUB_TINY Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-27 11:05   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-12-12 10:54     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-12-12 13:11       ` Dennis Zhou
2022-12-13  3:04         ` Baoquan He [this message]
2022-12-13 14:02           ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-12-18 10:16   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-21 17:12 ` [PATCH 11/12] mm, slub: don't aggressively inline " Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-28 13:19   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-21 17:12 ` [PATCH 12/12] mm, slob: rename CONFIG_SLOB to CONFIG_SLOB_DEPRECATED Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-21 18:41   ` Aaro Koskinen
2022-11-21 19:42   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-22  6:47   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-22 16:08   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-11-24  1:21   ` Roman Gushchin
2022-12-02 17:59   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-12-05 12:25     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-12-13 13:41   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-22 16:33 ` [PATCH 00/12] Introduce CONFIG_SLUB_TINY and deprecate SLOB Arnd Bergmann
2022-11-22 16:59   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-22 17:15     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-11-24 20:30 ` Mike Rapoport

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