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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: Gabriel Krisman Bertazi <krisman@collabora.com>
Cc: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Xiaoguang Wang <xiaoguang.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] block drivers in user space
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 09:55:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YkO4rFBHCdjCJndV@T590> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bkxor7ye.fsf@collabora.com>

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 01:20:57PM -0400, Gabriel Krisman Bertazi wrote:
> Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> >> I was thinking of something like this, or having a way for the server to
> >> only operate on the fds and do splice/sendfile.  But, I don't know if it
> >> would be useful for many use cases.  We also want to be able to send the
> >> data to userspace, for instance, for userspace networking.
> >
> > I understand the big point is that how to pass the io data to ubd driver's
> > request/bio pages. But splice/sendfile just transfers data between two FDs,
> > then how can the block request/bio's pages get filled with expected data?
> > Can you explain a bit in detail?
> 
> Hi Ming,
> 
> My idea was to split the control and dataplanes in different file
> descriptors.
> 
> A queue has a fd that is mapped to a shared memory area where the
> request descriptors are.  Submission/completion are done by read/writing
> the index of the request on the shared memory area.
> 
> For the data plane, each request descriptor in the queue has an
> associated file descriptor to be used for data transfer, which is
> preallocated at queue creation time.  I'm mapping the bio linearly, from
> offset 0, on these descriptors on .queue_rq().  Userspace operates on
> these data file descriptors with regular RW syscalls, direct splice to
> another fd or pipe, or mmap it to move data around. The data is
> available on that fd until IO is completed through the queue fd.  After
> an operation is completed, the fds are reused for the next IO on that
> queue position.
> 
> Hannes has pointed out the issues with fd limits. :)

OK, thanks for the detailed explanation!

Also you may switch to map each request queue/disk into a FD, and every
request is mapped to one fixed extent of the 'file' via rq->tag since we
have max sectors limit for each request, then fd limits can be avoided.

But I am wondering if this way is friendly to userspace side implementation,
since there isn't buffer, only FDs visible to userspace.


thanks,
Ming



  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-30  1:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87tucsf0sr.fsf@collabora.com>
     [not found] ` <986caf55-65d1-0755-383b-73834ec04967@suse.de>
2022-03-27 16:35   ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] block drivers in user space Ming Lei
2022-03-28  5:47     ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-28  5:48     ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-28 20:20     ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-29  0:30       ` Ming Lei
2022-03-29 17:20         ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-30  1:55           ` Ming Lei [this message]
2022-03-30 18:22             ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-31  1:38               ` Ming Lei
2022-03-31  3:49                 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-04-08  6:52     ` Xiaoguang Wang
2022-04-08  7:44       ` Ming Lei

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