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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Chih-En Lin <shiyn.lin@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Jim Huang <jserv.tw@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] Introduce Copy-On-Write to Page Table
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 01:31:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YomERsAM3gF7XxRZ@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <64d0da08-6ffd-4bce-bc66-5097913937b4@kernel.org>

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 03:19:24PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> I can see a rather different use for this type of shared-pagetable
> technology, though: monstrous MAP_SHARED mappings.  For database and some VM
> users, multiple processes will map the same file.  If there was a way to
> ensure appropriate alignment (or at least encourage it) and a way to handle
> mappings that don't cover the whole file, then having multiple mappings
> share the same page tables could be a decent efficiently gain.  This doesn't
> even need COW -- it's "just" pagetable sharing.

The mshare proposal did not get a warm reception at LSFMM ;-(

The conceptual model doesn't seem to work for the MM developers who were
in the room.  "Fear" was the most-used word.  Not sure how we're going
to get to a model of sharing page tables that doesn't scare people.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-22  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-19 18:31 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Introduce Copy-On-Write to Page Table Chih-En Lin
2022-05-19 18:31 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] mm: Add a new mm flag for Copy-On-Write PTE table Chih-En Lin
2022-05-19 18:31 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] mm: clone3: Add CLONE_COW_PGTABLE flag Chih-En Lin
2022-05-20 14:13   ` Christophe Leroy
2022-05-21  3:50     ` Chih-En Lin
2022-05-19 18:31 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] mm, pgtable: Add ownership for the PTE table Chih-En Lin
2022-05-20 14:15   ` Christophe Leroy
2022-05-21  4:03     ` Chih-En Lin
2022-05-21  4:02   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-05-21  5:01     ` Chih-En Lin
2022-05-19 18:31 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] mm: Add COW PTE fallback function Chih-En Lin
2022-05-20 14:21   ` Christophe Leroy
2022-05-21  4:15     ` Chih-En Lin
2022-05-19 18:31 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] mm, pgtable: Add the reference counter for COW PTE Chih-En Lin
2022-05-20 14:30   ` Christophe Leroy
2022-05-21  4:22     ` Chih-En Lin
2022-05-21  4:08   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-05-21  5:10     ` Chih-En Lin
2022-05-19 18:31 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] mm: Expand Copy-On-Write to PTE table Chih-En Lin
2022-05-20 14:49   ` Christophe Leroy
2022-05-21  4:38     ` Chih-En Lin
2022-05-21  8:59 ` [External] [RFC PATCH 0/6] Introduce Copy-On-Write to Page Table Qi Zheng
2022-05-21 19:08   ` Chih-En Lin
2022-05-21 16:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-05-21 18:50   ` Chih-En Lin
2022-05-21 20:28     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-05-21 20:12   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-05-21 20:22     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-05-21 22:19     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-05-22  0:31       ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2022-05-22 15:20         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-05-22 19:40           ` Matthew Wilcox

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