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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Cc: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] mm: vmpressure: don't count proactive reclaim in vmpressure
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2022 13:42:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ytk7octCv1DZeelM@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALvZod7X3PsM2+ZrWXwb75FNBBjaBGJpjd+WVmzr5hStROvW+g@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed 20-07-22 10:49:53, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 2:24 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> >
> [...]
> >
> > I think what we are missing here is
> > - explain that this doesn't have any effect on existing users of
> >   vmpressure user interface because that is cgroup v1 and memory.reclaim
> >   is v2 feature. This is a trivial statement but quite useful for future
> >   readers of this commit
> > - explain the effect on the networking layer and typical usecases
> >   memory.reclaim is used for currently and ideally document that.
> 
> I agree with the above two points (Yosry, please address those) but
> the following third point is orthogonal and we don't really need to
> have an answer for this patch to be accepted.
> 
> > - how are we going to deal with users who would really want to use
> >   memory.reclaim interface as a replacement for existing hard/high
> >   memory reclaim? Is that even something that the interface is intended
> >   for?
> 
> I do agree that this question is important. Nowadays I am looking at
> this from a different perspective and use-case. More concretely how
> (and why) to replace vmpressure based network throttling for cgroup
> v2. I will start a separate thread for that discussion.

I think we should be good to document this side effect for now. If you
have a plan to change to vmpressure based throttling then only better.
But one way or the other impact of the memory.reclaim interface on
netwroking should be documented properly.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


      parent reply	other threads:[~2022-07-21 11:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-14  6:49 [PATCH v4] mm: vmpressure: don't count proactive reclaim in vmpressure Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 17:32 ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-20  9:24 ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-20 17:49   ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-20 18:02     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-21 11:44       ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-21 15:58         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-21 16:42           ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-21 16:49             ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-21 11:42     ` Michal Hocko [this message]

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