From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lstoakes@gmail.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/32] mm: Bring back vmalloc_exec
Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 01:44:15 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZFyAr/9L3neIWpF8@moria.home.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZFx+GOjabJIaJWU8@mit.edu>
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 01:33:12AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> Seriously, does this mean that bcachefs won't work on Arm systems
> (arm32 or arm64)? Or Risc V systems? Or S/390's? Or Power
> architectuers? Or Itanium or PA-RISC systems? (OK, I really don't
> care all that much about those last two. :-)
No :)
My CI servers are arm64 servers. There's a bch2_bkey_unpack_key()
written in C, that works on any architecture. But specializing for a
particular format is a not-insignificant performance improvement, so
writing an arm64 version has been on my todo list.
> When people ask me why file systems are so hard to make enterprise
> ready, I tell them to recall the general advice given to people to
> write secure, robust systems: (a) avoid premature optimization, (b)
> avoid fine-grained, multi-threaded programming, as much as possible,
> because locking bugs are a b*tch, and (c) avoid unnecessary global
> state as much as possible.
>
> File systems tend to violate all of these precepts: (a) people chase
> benchmark optimizations to the exclusion of all else, because people
> have an unhealthy obsession with Phornix benchmark articles, (b) file
> systems tend to be inherently multi-threaded, with lots of locks, and
> (c) file systems are all about managing global state in the form of
> files, directories, etc.
>
> However, hiding a miniature architecture-specific compiler inside a
> file system seems to be a rather blatent example of "premature
> optimization".
Ted, this project is _15_ years old.
I'm getting ready to write a full explanation of what this is for and
why it's important, I've just been busy with the conference - and I want
to write something good, that provides all the context.
I've also been mulling over fallback options, but I don't see any good
ones. The unspecialized, C version of unpack has branches (the absolute
minimum, I took my time when I was writing that code too); the
specialized versions are branchless and _much_ smaller, and the only way
to do that specialization is with some form of dynamic codegen.
But I do owe you all a detailed walkthrough of what this is all about,
so you'll get it in the next day or so.
Cheers,
Kent
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-05-11 5:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-05-09 16:56 [PATCH 00/32] bcachefs - a new COW filesystem Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 07/32] mm: Bring back vmalloc_exec Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 18:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-05-09 20:15 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 20:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-09 21:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-05-09 21:29 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-10 6:48 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-12 18:36 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-13 1:57 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-13 19:28 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-14 5:45 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-14 18:43 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-15 5:38 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-15 6:13 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-15 6:18 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-15 7:13 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-15 7:26 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-21 21:33 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-21 22:04 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-15 10:29 ` David Laight
2023-05-10 11:56 ` David Laight
2023-05-09 21:43 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-09 21:54 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-11 5:33 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-05-11 5:44 ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2023-05-13 13:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-05-14 18:39 ` Christophe Leroy
2023-05-14 23:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-15 4:45 ` Christophe Leroy
2023-05-15 5:02 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-10 14:18 ` Christophe Leroy
2023-05-10 15:05 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2023-05-11 22:28 ` Kees Cook
2023-05-12 18:41 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-16 21:02 ` Kees Cook
2023-05-16 21:20 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-16 21:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-05-16 21:57 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-17 5:28 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-17 14:04 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-17 14:18 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-17 15:44 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-17 15:59 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-17 4:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-17 15:34 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-17 19:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-17 20:08 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-17 20:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-19 19:45 ` Kees Cook
2023-06-20 0:39 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-19 9:19 ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-19 10:47 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-19 12:47 ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-19 19:17 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-20 17:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-20 18:08 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-20 18:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-20 18:48 ` Dave Hansen
2023-06-20 20:18 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-20 20:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-20 22:32 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-20 22:43 ` Nadav Amit
2023-06-21 1:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-15 20:41 ` [PATCH 00/32] bcachefs - a new COW filesystem Pavel Machek
2023-06-15 21:26 ` Kent Overstreet
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