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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Saurabh Singh Sengar <ssengar@microsoft.com>,
	Zach O'Keefe <zokeefe@google.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Saurabh Sengar <ssengar@linux.microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PATCH v3] mm/thp: fix "mm: thp: kill __transhuge_page_enabled()"
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 13:49:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZOijSwCa9NFD6DZI@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3408ff54-f353-0334-0d66-c808389d2f01@redhat.com>

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 09:59:23AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> Especially, we do have bigger ->huge_fault changes coming up:
> 
> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20230818202335.2739663-1-willy@infradead.org
> 
> If the driver is not in the tree, people don't care.
> 
> You really should try upstreaming that driver.
> 
> 
> So this patch here adds complexity (which I don't like) in order to keep an
> OOT driver working -- possibly for a short time. I'm tempted to say "please
> fix your driver to not use huge faults in that scenario, it is no longer
> supported".
> 
> But I'm just about to vanish for 1.5 week into vacation :)
> 
> @Willy, what are your thoughts?

Fundamentally there was a bad assumption with the original patch --
it assumed that the only reason to support ->huge_fault was for DAX,
and that's not true.  It's just that the only drivers in-tree which
support ->huge_fault do so in order to support DAX.

Keeping a driver out of tree is always a risky and costly proposition.
It will continue to be broken by core kernel changes, particularly
if/when it does unusual things.

I think the complexity is entirely on us.  I think there's a simpler way
to handle the problem, but I'd start by turning all of this "admin and
app get to control when THP are used" nonsense into no-ops.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-25 12:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21 23:48 [PATCH v3] mm/thp: fix "mm: thp: kill __transhuge_page_enabled()" Zach O'Keefe
2023-08-22  5:20 ` [EXTERNAL] " Saurabh Singh Sengar
2023-08-24  7:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-24 13:59   ` Zach O'Keefe
2023-08-24 14:05     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-24 14:47       ` Zach O'Keefe
2023-08-24 15:39         ` [EXTERNAL] " Saurabh Singh Sengar
2023-08-25  7:59           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-25 12:49             ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2023-08-25 12:58               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-25 15:09                 ` Zach O'Keefe
2023-09-06  6:58                   ` Saurabh Singh Sengar
2023-09-20  5:44                     ` Saurabh Singh Sengar
2023-09-22 16:54                       ` Yang Shi
2023-09-22 16:56                         ` Zach O'Keefe
2023-09-22 17:20                           ` Andrew Morton

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