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From: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Yin, Fengwei" <fengwei.yin@intel.com>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Rohan Puri <rohan.puri15@gmail.com>,
	Adam Manzanares <a.manzanares@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] Enable >0 order folio memory compaction
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 20:14:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZQu1EhQiV8h5Jsa6@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5ac6a387-0ca7-45ca-bebc-c3bdd48452cb@nvidia.com>

On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 07:05:25PM -0700, John Hubbard wrote:
> On 9/20/23 18:16, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 05:55:51PM -0700, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> > > Are there other known recipes test help test this stuff?
> > 
> > You know, it got me wondering... since how memory fragmented a system
> > might be by just running fstests, because, well, we already have
> > that automated in kdevops and it also has LBS support for all the
> > different large block sizes on 4k sector size. So if we just had a
> > way to "measure" or "quantify" memory fragmentation with a score,
> > we could just tally up how we did after 4 hours of testing for each
> > block size with a set of memory on the guest / target node / cloud
> > system.
> > 
> >    Luis
> 
> I thought about it, and here is one possible way to quantify
> fragmentation with just a single number. Take this with some
> skepticism because it is a first draft sort of thing:
> 
> a) Let BLOCKS be the number of 4KB pages (or more generally, then number
> of smallest sized objects allowed) in the area.
> 
> b) Let FRAGS be the number of free *or* allocated chunks (no need to
> consider the size of each, as that is automatically taken into
> consideration).
> 
> Then:
>       fragmentation percentage = (FRAGS / BLOCKS) * 100%
> 
> This has some nice properties. For one thing, it's easy to calculate.
> For another, it can discern between these cases:
> 
> Assume a 12-page area:
> 
> Case 1) 6 pages allocated allocated unevenly:
> 
> 1 page allocated | 1 page free | 1 page allocated | 5 pages free | 4 pages allocated
> 
> fragmentation = (5 FRAGS / 12 BLOCKS) * 100% = 41.7%
> 
> Case 2) 6 pages allocated evenly: every other page is allocated:
> 
> fragmentation = (12 FRAGS / 12 BLOCKS) * 100% = 100%

Thanks! Will try this!

BTW stress-ng might also be a nice way to do other pathalogical things here.

  Luis


  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-21  3:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-12 16:28 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Enable >0 order folio memory compaction Zi Yan
2023-09-12 16:28 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] mm/compaction: add support for " Zi Yan
2023-09-12 17:32   ` Johannes Weiner
2023-09-12 17:38     ` Zi Yan
2023-09-15  9:33   ` Baolin Wang
2023-09-18 17:06     ` Zi Yan
2023-10-10  8:07   ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-12 16:28 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] mm/compaction: optimize >0 order folio compaction with free page split Zi Yan
2023-09-18  7:34   ` Baolin Wang
2023-09-18 17:20     ` Zi Yan
2023-09-20  8:15       ` Baolin Wang
2023-09-12 16:28 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] mm/compaction: optimize >0 order folio compaction by sorting source pages Zi Yan
2023-09-12 17:56   ` Johannes Weiner
2023-09-12 20:31     ` Zi Yan
2023-09-12 16:28 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] mm/compaction: enable compacting >0 order folios Zi Yan
2023-09-15  9:41   ` Baolin Wang
2023-09-18 17:17     ` Zi Yan
2023-09-20 14:44   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-21  0:55 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Enable >0 order folio memory compaction Luis Chamberlain
2023-09-21  1:16   ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-09-21  2:05     ` John Hubbard
2023-09-21  3:14       ` Luis Chamberlain [this message]
2023-09-21 15:56         ` Zi Yan
2023-10-02 12:32 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 13:24   ` Zi Yan
2023-10-09 14:10     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 15:42       ` Zi Yan
2023-10-09 15:52       ` Zi Yan
2023-10-10 10:00         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09  7:12 ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-09 13:43   ` Zi Yan
2023-10-10  6:08     ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-10 16:48       ` Zi Yan

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