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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, x86@kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, hpa@zytor.com,
	mingo@redhat.com, luto@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	paulmck@kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	willy@infradead.org, jon.grimm@amd.com, bharata@amd.com,
	raghavendra.kt@amd.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com,
	konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] x86/folio_zero_user: multi-page clearing
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 09:05:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z_yzshvBmYiPrxU0@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250414034607.762653-5-ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>


* Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com> wrote:

> clear_pages_rep(), clear_pages_erms() use string instructions to zero
> memory. When operating on more than a single page, we can use these
> more effectively by explicitly advertising the region-size to the
> processor, which can use that as a hint to optimize the clearing
> (ex. by eliding cacheline allocation.)
> 
> As a secondary benefit, string instructions are typically microcoded,
> and working with larger regions helps amortize the cost of the decode.

Not just the decoding, but also iterations around page-sized chunks are 
not cheap these days: there's various compiler generated mitigations 
and other overhead that applies on a typical kernel, and using larger 
sizes amortizes that per-page-iteration setup cost.

> When zeroing the 2MB page, maximize spatial locality by clearing in 
> three sections: the faulting page and its immediate neighbourhood, the
> left and the right regions, with the local neighbourhood cleared last.

s/zeroing the 2MB page
 /zeroing a 2MB page


> It's not entirely clear why the performance for pg-sz=2MB improves. 
> We decode fewer instructions and the hardware prefetcher can do a 
> better job, but the perf stats for both of those aren't convincing 
> enough to the extent of ~30%.

s/why the performance
 /why performance

> For both page-sizes, Icelakex, behaves similarly to Milan pg-sz=2MB: we
> see a drop in cycles but there's no drop in cacheline allocation.

s/Icelakex, behaves similarly
 /Icelakex behaves similarly

> Performance for preempt=none|voluntary remains unchanged.

CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y is the default on a number of major 
distributions, such as Ubuntu, and a lot of enterprise distro kernels - 
and this patch does nothing for them, for no good reason.

So could you please provide a sensible size granularity cutoff of 16MB 
or so on non-preemptible kernels, instead of this weird build-time 
all-or-nothing binary cutoff based on preemption modes?

On preempt=full/lazy the granularity limit would be infinite.

I.e the only code dependent on the preemption mode should be the size 
cutoff/limit.

On full/lazy preemption the code would, ideally, compile to something 
close to your current code.

> +obj-$(CONFIG_PREEMPTION)	+= memory.o

> +#ifndef CONFIG_HIGHMEM
> +/*
> + * folio_zero_user_preemptible(): multi-page clearing variant of folio_zero_user().

We don't care much about HIGHMEM these days I suppose, but this 
dependency still feels wrong. Is this a stealth dependency on x86-64, 
trying to avoid a new arch Kconfig for this new API, right? ;-)

Thanks,

	Ingo


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-14  7:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-14  3:46 [PATCH v3 0/4] mm/folio_zero_user: add multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2025-04-14  3:46 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] x86/clear_page: extend clear_page*() for " Ankur Arora
2025-04-14  6:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 11:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-14 11:14       ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 19:46       ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 22:26       ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-15  6:14         ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15  8:22           ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-15 20:01             ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15 20:32               ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-14 19:52     ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 20:09       ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-04-15 21:59         ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14  3:46 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] x86/clear_page: add clear_pages() Ankur Arora
2025-04-14  3:46 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] huge_page: allow arch override for folio_zero_user() Ankur Arora
2025-04-14  3:46 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] x86/folio_zero_user: multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2025-04-14  6:53   ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 21:21     ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14  7:05   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2025-04-15  6:36     ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-22  6:36     ` Raghavendra K T
2025-04-22 19:14       ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15 10:16   ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-15 21:46     ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15 22:01       ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-16  4:46         ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-17 14:06           ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-14  5:34 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] mm/folio_zero_user: add " Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 19:30   ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14  6:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 19:19   ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15 19:10 ` Zi Yan
2025-04-22 19:32   ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-22  6:23 ` Raghavendra K T
2025-04-22 19:22   ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-23  8:12     ` Raghavendra K T
2025-04-23  9:18       ` Raghavendra K T

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