From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, x86@kernel.org,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, hpa@zytor.com,
mingo@redhat.com, luto@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
paulmck@kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
willy@infradead.org, jon.grimm@amd.com, bharata@amd.com,
raghavendra.kt@amd.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com,
konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] x86/folio_zero_user: multi-page clearing
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 09:05:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z_yzshvBmYiPrxU0@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250414034607.762653-5-ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
* Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com> wrote:
> clear_pages_rep(), clear_pages_erms() use string instructions to zero
> memory. When operating on more than a single page, we can use these
> more effectively by explicitly advertising the region-size to the
> processor, which can use that as a hint to optimize the clearing
> (ex. by eliding cacheline allocation.)
>
> As a secondary benefit, string instructions are typically microcoded,
> and working with larger regions helps amortize the cost of the decode.
Not just the decoding, but also iterations around page-sized chunks are
not cheap these days: there's various compiler generated mitigations
and other overhead that applies on a typical kernel, and using larger
sizes amortizes that per-page-iteration setup cost.
> When zeroing the 2MB page, maximize spatial locality by clearing in
> three sections: the faulting page and its immediate neighbourhood, the
> left and the right regions, with the local neighbourhood cleared last.
s/zeroing the 2MB page
/zeroing a 2MB page
> It's not entirely clear why the performance for pg-sz=2MB improves.
> We decode fewer instructions and the hardware prefetcher can do a
> better job, but the perf stats for both of those aren't convincing
> enough to the extent of ~30%.
s/why the performance
/why performance
> For both page-sizes, Icelakex, behaves similarly to Milan pg-sz=2MB: we
> see a drop in cycles but there's no drop in cacheline allocation.
s/Icelakex, behaves similarly
/Icelakex behaves similarly
> Performance for preempt=none|voluntary remains unchanged.
CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y is the default on a number of major
distributions, such as Ubuntu, and a lot of enterprise distro kernels -
and this patch does nothing for them, for no good reason.
So could you please provide a sensible size granularity cutoff of 16MB
or so on non-preemptible kernels, instead of this weird build-time
all-or-nothing binary cutoff based on preemption modes?
On preempt=full/lazy the granularity limit would be infinite.
I.e the only code dependent on the preemption mode should be the size
cutoff/limit.
On full/lazy preemption the code would, ideally, compile to something
close to your current code.
> +obj-$(CONFIG_PREEMPTION) += memory.o
> +#ifndef CONFIG_HIGHMEM
> +/*
> + * folio_zero_user_preemptible(): multi-page clearing variant of folio_zero_user().
We don't care much about HIGHMEM these days I suppose, but this
dependency still feels wrong. Is this a stealth dependency on x86-64,
trying to avoid a new arch Kconfig for this new API, right? ;-)
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-14 7:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-14 3:46 [PATCH v3 0/4] mm/folio_zero_user: add multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 3:46 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] x86/clear_page: extend clear_page*() for " Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 6:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 11:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-14 11:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 19:46 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 22:26 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-15 6:14 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15 8:22 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-15 20:01 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15 20:32 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-14 19:52 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 20:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-04-15 21:59 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 3:46 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] x86/clear_page: add clear_pages() Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 3:46 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] huge_page: allow arch override for folio_zero_user() Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 3:46 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] x86/folio_zero_user: multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 6:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 21:21 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 7:05 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2025-04-15 6:36 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-22 6:36 ` Raghavendra K T
2025-04-22 19:14 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15 10:16 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-15 21:46 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15 22:01 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-16 4:46 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-17 14:06 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-04-14 5:34 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] mm/folio_zero_user: add " Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 19:30 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-14 6:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-14 19:19 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-15 19:10 ` Zi Yan
2025-04-22 19:32 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-22 6:23 ` Raghavendra K T
2025-04-22 19:22 ` Ankur Arora
2025-04-23 8:12 ` Raghavendra K T
2025-04-23 9:18 ` Raghavendra K T
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