From: Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
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Subject: Re: folio_mmapped
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 12:36:10 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZeXAOit6O0stdxw3@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc486cb4-0fe3-403f-b5e6-26d2140fcef9@redhat.com>
On Thursday 29 Feb 2024 at 11:04:09 (+0100), David Hildenbrand wrote:
> An alternative would be to remember in pKVM that a page needs a wipe before
> reaccess. Once re-accessed by anybody (hypervisor or new guest), it first
> has to be wiped by pKVM.
>
> ... but that also sounds complicated and similar requires the linear
> map+unmap in pKVM page-by-page as they are reused. But at least a guest
> shutdown would be faster.
Yep, FWIW we did try that, but ended up having issues with Linux trying
to DMA to these pages before 'touching' them from the CPU side. pKVM can
keep the pages unmapped from the CPU and IOMMU stage-2 page-tables, and
we can easily handle the CPU faults lazily, but not faults from other
masters, our hardware generally doesn't support that.
<snip>
> As discussed in the sub-thread, that might still be required.
>
> One could think about completely forbidding GUP on these mmap'ed
> guest-memfds. But likely, there might be use cases in the future where you
> want to use GUP on shared memory inside a guest_memfd.
>
> (the iouring example I gave might currently not work because
> FOLL_PIN|FOLL_LONGTERM|FOLL_WRITE only works on shmem+hugetlb, and
> guest_memfd will likely not be detected as shmem; 8ac268436e6d contains some
> details)
Perhaps it would be wise to start with GUP being forbidden if the
current users do not need it (not sure if that is the case in Android,
I'll check) ? We can always relax this constraint later when/if the
use-cases arise, which is obviously much harder to do the other way
around.
Thanks,
Quentin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-04 12:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20240222161047.402609-1-tabba@google.com>
[not found] ` <20240222141602976-0800.eberman@hu-eberman-lv.qualcomm.com>
2024-02-23 0:35 ` folio_mmapped Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-26 9:28 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-26 21:14 ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-02-27 14:59 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 10:48 ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-02-28 11:11 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 12:44 ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-02-28 13:00 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 13:34 ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-02-28 18:43 ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-02-28 18:51 ` Quentin Perret
2024-02-29 10:04 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-29 19:01 ` folio_mmapped Fuad Tabba
2024-03-01 0:40 ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-03-01 11:16 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 12:53 ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-03-04 20:22 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-01 11:06 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 12:36 ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2024-03-04 19:04 ` folio_mmapped Sean Christopherson
2024-03-04 20:17 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 21:43 ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-03-04 21:58 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-19 9:47 ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-03-19 9:54 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-18 17:06 ` folio_mmapped Vishal Annapurve
2024-03-18 22:02 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
[not found] ` <CAGtprH8B8y0Khrid5X_1twMce7r-Z7wnBiaNOi-QwxVj4D+L3w@mail.gmail.com>
2024-03-19 0:10 ` folio_mmapped Sean Christopherson
2024-03-19 10:26 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-19 13:19 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-19 14:31 ` folio_mmapped Will Deacon
2024-03-19 23:54 ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-03-22 16:36 ` Will Deacon
2024-03-22 18:46 ` Elliot Berman
2024-03-27 19:31 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <2d6fc3c0-a55b-4316-90b8-deabb065d007@redhat.com>
2024-03-22 21:21 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-26 22:04 ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-03-27 19:34 ` folio_mmapped Will Deacon
2024-03-28 9:06 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-28 10:10 ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-03-28 10:32 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-28 10:58 ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-03-28 11:41 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-29 18:38 ` folio_mmapped Vishal Annapurve
2024-04-04 0:15 ` folio_mmapped Sean Christopherson
2024-03-19 15:04 ` folio_mmapped Sean Christopherson
2024-03-22 17:16 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-26 9:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/26] KVM: Restricted mapping of guest_memfd at the host and pKVM/arm64 support Fuad Tabba
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