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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, hughd@google.com, david@redhat.com,
	wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, ying.huang@intel.com,
	21cnbao@gmail.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, shy828301@gmail.com,
	ziy@nvidia.com, ioworker0@gmail.com, da.gomez@samsung.com,
	p.raghav@samsung.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/6] add mTHP support for anonymous shmem
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 19:43:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZobtTmzj0AmNXcav@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1718090413.git.baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>

On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 06:11:04PM +0800, Baolin Wang wrote:
> Anonymous pages have already been supported for multi-size (mTHP) allocation
> through commit 19eaf44954df, that can allow THP to be configured through the
> sysfs interface located at '/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepage-XXkb/enabled'.
> 
> However, the anonymous shmem will ignore the anonymous mTHP rule configured
> through the sysfs interface, and can only use the PMD-mapped THP, that is not
> reasonable. Many implement anonymous page sharing through mmap(MAP_SHARED |
> MAP_ANONYMOUS), especially in database usage scenarios, therefore, users expect
> to apply an unified mTHP strategy for anonymous pages, also including the
> anonymous shared pages, in order to enjoy the benefits of mTHP. For example,
> lower latency than PMD-mapped THP, smaller memory bloat than PMD-mapped THP,
> contiguous PTEs on ARM architecture to reduce TLB miss etc.

OK, this makes sense.

> As discussed in the bi-weekly MM meeting[1], the mTHP controls should control
> all of shmem, not only anonymous shmem, but support will be added iteratively.
> Therefore, this patch set starts with support for anonymous shmem.

But then this doesn't.  You say first that users want the same controls
to control all anonymous memory, then you introduce a completely
separate set of controls for shared anonymous memory.

shmem has two uses:

 - MAP_ANONYMOUS | MAP_SHARED (this patch set)
 - tmpfs

For the second use case we don't want controls *at all*, we want the
same heiristics used for all other filesystems to apply to tmpfs.

There's no reason to have separate controls for choosing folio size
in shmem.

> The primary strategy is similar to supporting anonymous mTHP. Introduce
> a new interface '/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepage-XXkb/shmem_enabled',
> which can have almost the same values as the top-level
> '/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/shmem_enabled', with adding a new
> additional "inherit" option and dropping the testing options 'force' and
> 'deny'. By default all sizes will be set to "never" except PMD size, which
> is set to "inherit". This ensures backward compatibility with the anonymous
> shmem enabled of the top level, meanwhile also allows independent control of
> anonymous shmem enabled for each mTHP.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-04 18:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-11 10:11 [PATCH v5 0/6] add mTHP support for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] mm: memory: extend finish_fault() to support large folio Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 14:38   ` Zi Yan
2024-06-12  9:28     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-12 13:40   ` Kefeng Wang
2024-06-13  0:51     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] mm: shmem: add THP validation for PMD-mapped THP related statistics Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] mm: shmem: add multi-size THP sysfs interface for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP support " Baolin Wang
2024-07-03 17:25   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-04 11:15     ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-04 13:58       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-04 14:01         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04 15:05         ` Bang Li
2024-07-04 15:54           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-05  2:56         ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-05  8:55           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-04 14:46       ` Bang Li
2024-07-05  3:01         ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-05  8:42           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-05  8:57             ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-05  9:05               ` Ryan Roberts
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP size alignment in shmem_get_unmapped_area Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP counters for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-06-12  8:04   ` Lance Yang
2024-06-12  9:28     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-12 14:16       ` Lance Yang
2024-06-12 13:46   ` Kefeng Wang
2024-06-13  1:00     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-12 14:18   ` Lance Yang
2024-06-13  1:08     ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-04 18:43 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-07-04 19:03   ` [PATCH v5 0/6] add mTHP support " David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04 19:19     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04 19:49       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-05  5:47         ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-05  8:45           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-05  8:59             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-05  9:13               ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-05  9:16                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-05  9:23                   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-07 16:39               ` Daniel Gomez
2024-07-09  8:28                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-16 13:11                   ` Daniel Gomez
2024-07-16 13:22                     ` David Hildenbrand

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