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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	quic_eberman@quicinc.com,  akpm@linux-foundation.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/5] mm/gup: Introduce exclusive GUP pinning
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:34:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZpavP3K_xAMiu4kE@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240716160842.GD1482543@nvidia.com>

On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 09:03:00AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> 
> > > + To support huge pages, guest_memfd will take ownership of the hugepages, and
> > >   provide interested parties (userspace, KVM, iommu) with pages to be used.
> > >   + guest_memfd will track usage of (sub)pages, for both private and shared
> > >     memory
> > >   + Pages will be broken into smaller (probably 4K) chunks at creation time to
> > >     simplify implementation (as opposed to splitting at runtime when private to
> > >     shared conversion is requested by the guest)
> > 
> > FWIW, I doubt we'll ever release a version with mmap()+guest_memfd support that
> > shatters pages at creation.  I can see it being an intermediate step, e.g. to
> > prove correctness and provide a bisection point, but shattering hugepages at
> > creation would effectively make hugepage support useless.
> 
> Why? If the private memory retains its contiguity seperately but the
> struct pages are removed from the vmemmap, what is the downside?

Oooh, you're talking about shattering only the host userspace mappings.  Now I
understand why there was a bit of a disconnect, I was thinking you (hand-wavy
everyone) were saying that KVM would immediately shatter its own mappings too.

> As I understand it the point is to give a large contiguous range to
> the private world and use only 4k pages to give the hypervisor world
> access to limited amounts of the memory.
> 
> Is there a reason that not having the shared memory elevated to higher
> contiguity a deal breaker?

Nope.  I'm sure someone will ask for it sooner than later, but definitely not a
must have.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-16 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-19  0:05 [PATCH RFC 0/5] mm/gup: Introduce exclusive GUP pinning Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 1/5] mm/gup: Move GUP_PIN_COUNTING_BIAS to page_ref.h Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 2/5] mm/gup: Add an option for obtaining an exclusive pin Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 3/5] mm/gup: Add support for re-pinning a normal pinned page as exclusive Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 4/5] mm/gup-test: Verify exclusive pinned Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 5/5] mm/gup_test: Verify GUP grabs same pages twice Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 0/5] mm/gup: Introduce exclusive GUP pinning Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  2:44 ` John Hubbard
2024-06-19  7:37   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-19  9:11     ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-19 11:51       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-19 12:01         ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-19 12:42           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 15:37           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-21  8:23             ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-21  8:43               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21  8:54                 ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-21  9:10                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 10:16                     ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-21 16:54                       ` Elliot Berman
2024-06-24 19:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-24 21:50                           ` David Rientjes
2024-06-26  3:19                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-06-26  5:20                               ` Pankaj Gupta
2024-06-19 12:17         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20  4:11         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-20  8:32           ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-20 13:55             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 14:01               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 14:29                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 14:45                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 16:04                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 18:56                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 16:36                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 18:53                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 20:30                         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 20:47                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 22:32                             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 23:00                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 23:11                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 23:54                             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-21  7:43                               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 12:39                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 23:08                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 22:47                   ` Elliot Berman
2024-06-20 23:18                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-21  7:32                       ` Quentin Perret
2024-06-21  8:02                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21  9:25                           ` Quentin Perret
2024-06-21  9:37                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 16:48                             ` Elliot Berman
2024-06-21 12:26                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-19 12:16       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20  8:47         ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-20  9:00           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 14:01             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 13:08     ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-06-20 14:14       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 14:34         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-02  8:26           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-02 11:22             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-05  2:24               ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-05 23:22                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-06  0:50                   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-06-20 16:33         ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-07-12 23:29 ` Ackerley Tng
2024-07-16 16:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-16 16:08     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-16 17:34       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-07-16 20:11         ` Jason Gunthorpe

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