From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
ying.huang@intel.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
chrisl@kernel.org, david@redhat.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
hughd@google.com, kaleshsingh@google.com, kasong@tencent.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mhocko@suse.com,
minchan@kernel.org, nphamcs@gmail.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
senozhatsky@chromium.org, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
shy828301@gmail.com, surenb@google.com, v-songbaohua@oppo.com,
xiang@kernel.org, yosryahmed@google.com,
Chuanhua Han <hanchuanhua@oppo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 3/4] mm: support large folios swapin as a whole for zRAM-like swapfile
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 16:13:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZqexmNIc00Xlwy2c@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4zXfYT4KxBnLx1F8tpK-5s6PX3PQ7wf7tteuzEyKS+ZPQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 01:11:31AM +1200, Barry Song wrote:
> for this zRAM case, it is a new allocated large folio, only
> while all conditions are met, we will allocate and map
> the whole folio. you can check can_swapin_thp() and
> thp_swap_suitable_orders().
YOU ARE DOING THIS WRONGLY!
All of you anonymous memory people are utterly fixated on TLBs AND THIS
IS WRONG. Yes, TLB performance is important, particularly with crappy
ARM designs, which I know a lot of you are paid to work on. But you
seem to think this is the only consideration, and you're making bad
design choices as a result. It's overly complicated, and you're leaving
performance on the table.
Look back at the results Ryan showed in the early days of working on
large anonymous folios. Half of the performance win on his system came
from using larger TLBs. But the other half came from _reduced software
overhead_. The LRU lock is a huge problem, and using large folios cuts
the length of the LRU list, hence LRU lock hold time.
Your _own_ data on how hard it is to get hold of a large folio due to
fragmentation should be enough to convince you that the more large folios
in the system, the better the whole system runs. We should not decline to
allocate large folios just because they can't be mapped with a single TLB!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-29 15:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-26 9:46 [PATCH v5 0/4] mm: support mTHP swap-in for zRAM-like swapfile Barry Song
2024-07-26 9:46 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] mm: swap: introduce swapcache_prepare_nr and swapcache_clear_nr for large folios swap-in Barry Song
2024-07-30 3:00 ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-30 3:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-30 3:15 ` Barry Song
2024-07-26 9:46 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] mm: Introduce mem_cgroup_swapin_uncharge_swap_nr() helper " Barry Song
2024-07-26 16:30 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-07-29 2:02 ` Barry Song
2024-07-29 3:43 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-29 4:52 ` Barry Song
2024-07-26 9:46 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] mm: support large folios swapin as a whole for zRAM-like swapfile Barry Song
2024-07-29 3:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-29 4:41 ` Barry Song
[not found] ` <CAGsJ_4wxUZAysyg3cCVnHhOFt5SbyAMUfq3tJcX-Wb6D4BiBhA@mail.gmail.com>
2024-07-29 12:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-29 13:11 ` Barry Song
2024-07-29 15:13 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-07-29 20:03 ` Barry Song
2024-07-29 21:56 ` Barry Song
2024-07-30 8:12 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-29 6:36 ` Chuanhua Han
2024-07-29 12:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-29 13:18 ` Barry Song
2024-07-29 13:32 ` Chuanhua Han
2024-07-29 14:16 ` Dan Carpenter
2024-07-26 9:46 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] mm: Introduce per-thpsize swapin control policy Barry Song
2024-07-27 5:58 ` kernel test robot
2024-07-29 1:37 ` Barry Song
2024-07-29 3:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-29 4:49 ` Barry Song
2024-07-29 16:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-29 20:11 ` Barry Song
2024-07-30 16:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-30 19:28 ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-30 21:06 ` Barry Song
2024-07-31 18:35 ` Nhat Pham
2024-08-01 3:00 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-08-01 20:55 ` Chris Li
2024-08-12 8:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-12 8:44 ` Barry Song
2024-07-30 2:27 ` Chuanhua Han
2024-07-30 8:36 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-30 8:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-05 6:10 ` Huang, Ying
2024-08-02 12:20 ` [PATCH v6 0/2] mm: Ignite large folios swap-in support Barry Song
2024-08-02 12:20 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] mm: add nr argument in mem_cgroup_swapin_uncharge_swap() helper to support large folios Barry Song
2024-08-02 17:29 ` Chris Li
2024-08-02 12:20 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] mm: support large folios swap-in for zRAM-like devices Barry Song
2024-08-03 19:08 ` Andrew Morton
2024-08-12 8:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-12 8:53 ` Barry Song
2024-08-12 11:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-15 9:47 ` Kairui Song
2024-08-15 13:27 ` Kefeng Wang
2024-08-15 23:06 ` Barry Song
2024-08-16 16:50 ` Kairui Song
2024-08-16 20:34 ` Andrew Morton
2024-08-27 3:41 ` Chuanhua Han
2024-08-16 21:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-16 21:39 ` Barry Song
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