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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	 Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
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	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com>,
	 Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	 Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	 Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/19] mm: Support huge pfnmaps
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:23:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zr1KiHO0pxPdYD_U@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zr0_5gixFGlyQMl7@linux.dev>

On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, Oliver Upton wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 04:28:00PM -0700, Oliver Upton wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 01:54:04PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > TL;DR: it's probably worth looking at mmu_stress_test (was: max_guest_memory_test)
> > > on arm64, specifically the mprotect() testcase[1], as performance is significantly
> > > worse compared to x86,
> > 
> > Sharing what we discussed offline:
> > 
> > Sean was using a machine w/o FEAT_FWB for this test, so the increased
> > runtime on arm64 is likely explained by the CMOs we're doing when
> > creating or invalidating a stage-2 PTE.
> > 
> > Using a machine w/ FEAT_FWB would be better for making these sort of
> > cross-architecture comparisons. Beyond CMOs, we do have some 
> 
> ... some heavy barriers (e.g. DSB(ishst)) we use to ensure page table
> updates are visible to the system. So there could still be some
> arch-specific quirks that'll show up in the test.

Nope, 'twas FWB.  On a system with FWB, ARM nicely outperforms x86 on mprotect()
when vCPUs stop on the first -EFAULT.  I suspect because ARM can do broadcast TLB
invalidations and doesn't need to interrupt and wait for every vCPU to respond.

  run1 = 10.723194154s, reset = 0.000014732s, run2 = 0.013790876s, ro = 2.151261587s, rw = 10.624272116s

However, having vCPUs continue faulting while mprotect() is running turns the
tables, I suspect due to mmap_lock

  run1 = 10.768003815s, reset = 0.000012051s, run2 = 0.013781921s, ro = 23.277624455s, rw = 10.649136889s

The x86 numbers since they're out of sight now:

 -EFAULT once
  run1 =  6.873408794s, reset = 0.000165898s, run2 = 0.035537803s, ro =  6.149083106s, rw = 7.713627355s

 -EFAULT forever
  run1 =  6.923218747s, reset = 0.000167050s, run2 = 0.034676225s, ro = 14.599445790s, rw = 7.763152792s

> > > and there might be bugs lurking the mmu_notifier flows.
> > 
> > Impossible! :)
> > 
> > > Jumping back to mmap_lock, adding a lock, vma_lookup(), and unlock in x86's page
> > > fault path for valid VMAs does introduce a performance regression, but only ~30%,
> > > not the ~6x jump from x86 to arm64.  So that too makes it unlikely taking mmap_lock
> > > is the main problem, though it's still good justification for avoid mmap_lock in
> > > the page fault path.
> > 
> > I'm curious how much of that 30% in a microbenchmark would translate to
> > real world performance, since it isn't *that* egregious.

vCPU jitter is the big problem, especially if userspace is doing something odd,
and/or if the kernel is preemptible (which also triggers yeild-on-contention logic
for spinlocks, ew).  E.g. the range-based retry to avoid spinning and waiting on
an unrelated MM operation was added by the ChromeOS folks[1] to resolve issues
where an MM operation got preempted and so blocked vCPU faults.

But even for cloud setups with a non-preemptible kernel, contending with unrelated
userspace VMM modification can be problematic, e.g. it turns out even the
gfn_to_pfn_cache logic needs range-based retry[2] (though that's a rather
pathological case where userspace is spamming madvise() to the point where vCPUs
can't even make forward progress).

> > We also have other uses for getting at the VMA beyond mapping granularity
> > (MTE and the VFIO Normal-NC hint) that'd require some attention too.

Yeah, though it seems like it'd be easy enough to take mmap_lock if and only if
it's necessary, e.g. similar to how common KVM takes it only if it encounters
VM_PFNMAP'd memory.

E.g. take mmap_lock if and only if MTE is active (I assume that's uncommon?), or
if the fault is to device memory.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210222024522.1751719-1-stevensd@google.com
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/f862cefff2ed3f4211b69d785670f41667703cf3.camel@infradead.org


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-15  0:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-09 16:08 [PATCH 00/19] mm: Support huge pfnmaps Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 01/19] mm: Introduce ARCH_SUPPORTS_HUGE_PFNMAP and special bits to pmd/pud Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:34   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 17:16     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 18:06       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 02/19] mm: Drop is_huge_zero_pud() Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:34   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-14 12:38   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 03/19] mm: Mark special bits for huge pfn mappings when inject Peter Xu
2024-08-14 12:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 15:23     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 15:53       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 04/19] mm: Allow THP orders for PFNMAPs Peter Xu
2024-08-14 12:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 05/19] mm/gup: Detect huge pfnmap entries in gup-fast Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:23   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 16:59     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 12:42       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 15:34         ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 12:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 07/19] mm/fork: Accept huge pfnmap entries Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:32   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 17:15     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 17:59       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-12 18:29         ` Peter Xu
2024-08-12 18:50           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-12 19:05             ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 08/19] mm: Always define pxx_pgprot() Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:09   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 15:43     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 09/19] mm: New follow_pfnmap API Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 18:24     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 22:14       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-15 15:41         ` Peter Xu
2024-08-15 16:16           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-15 17:21             ` Peter Xu
2024-08-15 17:24               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-15 18:52                 ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 23:12   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-17 11:05     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-21 19:10     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 10/19] KVM: Use " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 17:23   ` Axel Rasmussen
2024-08-12 18:58     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-12 22:47       ` Axel Rasmussen
2024-08-12 23:44         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 13:15           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 14:23             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 11/19] s390/pci_mmio: " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 12/19] mm/x86/pat: Use the new " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 13/19] vfio: " Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:20   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 14/19] acrn: " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 15/19] mm/access_process_vm: " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 16/19] mm: Remove follow_pte() Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 17/19] mm/x86: Support large pfn mappings Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 18/19] mm/arm64: " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 19/19] vfio/pci: Implement huge_fault support Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:25   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 16:08     ` Alex Williamson
2024-08-14 16:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found] ` <20240809160909.1023470-7-peterx@redhat.com>
2024-08-09 16:20   ` [PATCH 06/19] mm/pagewalk: Check pfnmap early for folio_walk_start() David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 16:54     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 17:25       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 21:37         ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:05         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-16  9:30           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-16 14:21             ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 17:38               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-21 18:42                 ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 17:56               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 12:19                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-19 14:19                   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-09 18:12 ` [PATCH 00/19] mm: Support huge pfnmaps David Hildenbrand
2024-08-14 12:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 14:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 14:42     ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-08-14 14:43     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 20:54       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 22:00         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 22:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 23:36           ` Oliver Upton
2024-08-14 23:27         ` Oliver Upton
2024-08-14 23:38           ` Oliver Upton
2024-08-15  0:23             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-08-15 19:20   ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16  3:05     ` Kefeng Wang
2024-08-16 14:33       ` Peter Xu
2024-08-19 13:14         ` Kefeng Wang

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