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From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com,
	baohua@kernel.org, ioworker0@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH mm-new 1/3] mm/khugepaged: skip unsuitable VMAs earlier in khugepaged_scan_mm_slot()
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 14:21:26 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0ec4014-384b-4c04-bf0b-777c989eabcb@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bc86d5f7-5b23-14fb-0365-b47f5a6f13c9@google.com>

Hi Hugh,

Thanks for taking a look and for raising this important point!

On 2025/9/16 13:32, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2025, Lance Yang wrote:
> 
>> From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
>>
>> Let's skip unsuitable VMAs early in the khugepaged scan; specifically,
>> mlocked VMAs should not be touched.
> 
> Why?  That's a change in behaviour, isn't it?
> 
> I'm aware that hugepage collapse on an mlocked VMA can insert a fault
> latency, not universally welcome; but I've not seen discussion, let
> alone agreement, that current behaviour should be changed.
> Somewhere in yet-to-be-read mail?  Please give us a link.
> 
> Hugh

You're right, this is indeed a change in behaviour. But it's specifically
for khugepaged.

Users of mlock() expect low and predictable latency. THP collapse is a
heavy operation that introduces exactly the kind of unpredictable delays
they want to avoid. It has to unmap PTEs, copy data from the small folios
to a new THP, and then remap the THP back to the PMD ;)

IMO, that change is acceptable because THP is generally transparent to
users, and khugepaged does not guarantee when THP collapse or split will
happen.

Well, we don't have a discussion on that, just something I noticed.

Thanks,
Lance




  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-16  6:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-14 14:35 [PATCH mm-new 0/3] mm/khugepaged: optimize collapse candidate detection Lance Yang
2025-09-14 14:35 ` [PATCH mm-new 1/3] mm/khugepaged: skip unsuitable VMAs earlier in khugepaged_scan_mm_slot() Lance Yang
2025-09-14 16:16   ` Dev Jain
2025-09-15  3:02     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-16  5:32   ` Hugh Dickins
2025-09-16  6:21     ` Lance Yang [this message]
2025-09-16  6:42       ` Hugh Dickins
2025-09-16  7:05         ` Lance Yang
2025-09-16  9:29       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-09-16  9:39         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-16  9:48           ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-09-16  9:58             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-16 10:00               ` Lance Yang
2025-09-16  9:59           ` Lance Yang
2025-09-14 14:35 ` [PATCH mm-new 2/3] mm: clean up and expose is_guard_pte_marker() Lance Yang
2025-09-14 16:38   ` Dev Jain
2025-09-15  4:24     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-15 13:54   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-15 14:26     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-17 10:32   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-14 14:35 ` [PATCH mm-new 3/3] mm/khugepaged: abort collapse scan on guard PTEs Lance Yang
2025-09-14 17:03   ` Dev Jain
2025-09-15  3:36     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-15 14:08   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-15 14:42     ` Lance Yang

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