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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	Tyler Sanderson <tysand@google.com>,
	"Wang, Wei W" <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Balloon pressuring page cache
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 17:56:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a94fe61e-e015-49f7-b6c1-3c5aff727996@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200204114336-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

[...]

>>
>> Issue 2: When called via the shrinker, (but also to fix Issue 1), it could be
>> that we do have VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_MUST_TELL_HOST. I assume this means
>> (-ENOCLUE) that we have to wait until the hypervisor notifies us via the STOP? Or
>> for which event do we have to wait? Because there is no way to *tell host* here
>> that we want to reuse a page. The hypervisor will *tell us* when we can reuse pages.
>> For the shrinker it is simple: Don't use the shrinker with
>> VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_MUST_TELL_HOST :) . But to fix Issue 1, we *would* have to wait
>> until we get a STOP signal. That is not really possible because it might
>> take an infinite amount of time.
>>
>> Michael, any clue on which event we have to wait with
>> VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_MUST_TELL_HOST? IMHO, I don't think
>> VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_MUST_TELL_HOST applies to VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT and
>> we'd better document that. It introduces complexity with no clear benefit.
> 
> I meant that we must wait for host to see the hint. Signalled via using
> the buffer.  But maybe that's too far in the meaning from
> VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_MUST_TELL_HOST and we need a separate new flag for

Yes, that's what I think.

> that. Then current code won't be broken (yay!) but we need to
> document another flag that's pretty similar.

I mean, do we need a flag at all as long as there is no user?
Introducing a flag and documenting it if nobody uses it does not sound
like a work I will enjoy :)

We can simply document "VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_MUST_TELL_HOST does not apply
to FREE_PAGE_HINTING" and "with FREE_PAGE_HINTING, the guest can reuse
pages any time, without waiting for a response/ack from the hypervisor".

Thoughts?

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-04 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <91270a68-ff48-88b0-219c-69801f0c252f@redhat.com>
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2020-01-30 15:02     ` Balloon pressuring page cache David Hildenbrand
2020-01-30 15:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-30 15:23         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-30 15:31       ` Wang, Wei W
2020-01-30 19:59         ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-03 13:11           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-03 16:18             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-03 16:34               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-03 17:03                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-03 20:32                   ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-03 21:22                     ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-03 23:16                       ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-04  0:10                         ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-04  5:45                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04  8:29                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 18:52                       ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-04 18:56                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04 19:17                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 23:58                           ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05  0:15                             ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05  6:57                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 19:01                               ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05 19:22                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-05 21:44                                   ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-06 11:00                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-03 22:50                 ` Nadav Amit
2020-02-04  8:35                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04  8:40                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04  8:48                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 14:30                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 16:50                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04 16:56                           ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2020-02-04 20:33                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05  8:31                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  6:52                           ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  7:05                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05  8:50                               ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  6:49                         ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  8:19                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  8:54                             ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  8:56                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:00                                 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  9:05                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:19                                     ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  9:22                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:35                                         ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  9:37                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:49                                             ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  9:58                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 10:25                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 10:42                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:35                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 18:43                                   ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-06  9:30                                     ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  7:35                   ` Nadav Amit
2020-02-05  8:19                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 10:27                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 10:43                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-30 22:46       ` Tyler Sanderson

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