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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/1] KVM: arm64: Allow cacheable stage 2 mapping using VMA flags
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 17:50:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aAfI2GR1__-1KQHn@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250422135452.GL823903@nvidia.com>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 10:54:52AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 12:49:28AM -0700, Oliver Upton wrote:
> >  - The memslot flag says userspace expects a particular GFN range to guarantee
> >    Write-Back semantics. This can be applied to 'normal', kernel-managed memory
> >    and PFNMAP thingies that have cacheable attributes at host stage-1.
> 
> Userspace doesn't actaully know if it has a cachable mapping from VFIO
> though :(

Yes, that's why I couldn't figure out how useful a memory slot flag
would be.

A CAP is definitely useful and some way of preventing migrating between
hosts with different capabilities for VM_PFNMAP is needed. However, I
think we only want to prevent migration _if_ there's a cacheable
VM_PFNMAP, otherwise KVM handles coherency via CMOs already.

So, for the above, the VMM needs to know that it somehow got into such
situation. If it knows the device (VFIO) capabilities and that the user
mapping is Cacheable, coupled with the new KVM CAP, it can infer that
Stage 2 will be S2FWB, no need for a memory slot flag. If it doesn't
have such information, maybe a new memory slot flag can be used to probe
what Stage 2 mapping is going to be: ask for KVM_MEM_PFNMAP_WB. If it
fails, Stage 2 is Device/NC and can attempt again with the WB flag.
It's a bit of a stretch for the KVM API but IIUC there's no option to
query the properties of a memory slot.

FWIW, I don't think we need a memory slot flag for host kernel managed
memory, its S2FWB already.

-- 
Catalin


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-22 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-10 10:30 [PATCH v3 0/1] KVM: arm64: Map GPU device memory as cacheable ankita
2025-03-10 10:30 ` [PATCH v3 1/1] KVM: arm64: Allow cacheable stage 2 mapping using VMA flags ankita
2025-03-10 11:54   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-03-11  3:42     ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-03-11 11:18       ` Marc Zyngier
2025-03-11 12:07         ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-03-12  8:21           ` Marc Zyngier
2025-03-17  5:55             ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-03-17  9:27               ` Marc Zyngier
2025-03-17 19:54                 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-03-18  9:39                   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-03-18 12:55                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-18 19:27                       ` Catalin Marinas
2025-03-18 19:35                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-03-18 19:40                           ` Oliver Upton
2025-03-20  3:30                             ` bibo mao
2025-03-20  7:24                               ` bibo mao
2025-03-18 23:17                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 18:03                           ` Catalin Marinas
2025-03-18 19:30                       ` Oliver Upton
2025-03-18 23:09                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19  7:01                           ` Oliver Upton
2025-03-19 17:04                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 18:11                               ` Catalin Marinas
2025-03-19 19:22                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 21:48                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-03-26  8:31                                     ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-03-26 14:53                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-03-26 15:42                                         ` Marc Zyngier
2025-03-26 16:10                                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-03-26 18:02                                             ` Marc Zyngier
2025-03-26 18:24                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-03-26 18:51                                                 ` Oliver Upton
2025-03-31 14:44                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-31 14:56                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-07 15:20                                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-04-07 16:15                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-07 16:43                                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-04-16  8:51                                                         ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-04-21 16:03                                                           ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-04-22  7:49                                                           ` Oliver Upton
2025-04-22 13:54                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-22 16:50                                                               ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2025-04-22 17:03                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-22 21:28                                                                   ` Oliver Upton
2025-04-22 23:35                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-23 10:45                                                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2025-04-23 12:02                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-23 12:26                                                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2025-04-23 13:03                                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-29 10:47                                                                               ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-04-29 13:27                                                                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-04-29 14:14                                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-29 16:03                                                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2025-04-29 16:44                                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-29 18:09                                                                                         ` Catalin Marinas
2025-04-29 18:19                                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-07 15:26                                                                                             ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-05-09 12:47                                                                                               ` Catalin Marinas
2025-04-22 14:53                                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-03-18 12:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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