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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm/memory: ensure fork child sees coherent memory snapshot
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 19:29:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aD8--plab38qiQF8@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250603-fork-tearing-v1-1-a7f64b7cfc96@google.com>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 08:21:02PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> When fork() encounters possibly-pinned pages, those pages are immediately
> copied instead of just marking PTEs to make CoW happen later. If the parent
> is multithreaded, this can cause the child to see memory contents that are
> inconsistent in multiple ways:
> 
> 1. We are copying the contents of a page with a memcpy() while userspace
>    may be writing to it. This can cause the resulting data in the child to
>    be inconsistent.
> 2. After we've copied this page, future writes to other pages may
>    continue to be visible to the child while future writes to this page are
>    no longer visible to the child.
> 
> This means the child could theoretically see incoherent states where
> allocator freelists point to objects that are actually in use or stuff like
> that. A mitigating factor is that, unless userspace already has a deadlock
> bug, userspace can pretty much only observe such issues when fancy lockless
> data structures are used (because if another thread was in the middle of
> mutating data during fork() and the post-fork child tried to take the mutex
> protecting that data, it might wait forever).

Um, OK, but isn't that expected behaviour?  POSIX says:

: A process shall be created with a single thread. If a multi-threaded
: process calls fork(), the new process shall contain a replica of the
: calling thread and its entire address space, possibly including the
: states of mutexes and other resources. Consequently, the application
: shall ensure that the child process only executes async-signal-safe
: operations until such time as one of the exec functions is successful.

It's always been my understanding that you really, really shouldn't call
fork() from a multithreaded process.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-03 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-03 18:21 [PATCH 0/2] mm/memory: fix memory tearing on threaded fork Jann Horn
2025-06-03 18:21 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm/memory: ensure fork child sees coherent memory snapshot Jann Horn
2025-06-03 18:29   ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2025-06-03 18:37     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-03 19:09       ` Jann Horn
2025-06-03 20:17         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-03 19:03     ` Jann Horn
2025-06-04 12:22       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-03 18:33   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-03 20:32   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-04 15:41     ` Jann Horn
2025-06-04 16:16       ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-05  7:33   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-05 12:30     ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-06 12:55     ` Jann Horn
2025-06-06 15:34       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-06 12:49   ` Jann Horn
2025-06-06 15:49     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-03 18:21 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/memory: Document how we make a " Jann Horn
2025-06-04 17:03   ` Peter Xu
2025-06-04 18:11     ` Jann Horn
2025-06-04 20:10       ` Peter Xu
2025-06-04 20:28         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 14:11         ` Jann Horn

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