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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Alex Mastro <amastro@fb.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] vfio-pci: Best-effort huge pfnmaps with !MAP_FIXED mappings
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 15:15:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFMQZru7l2aKVsZm@x1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250618174641.GB1629589@nvidia.com>

On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 02:46:41PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 12:56:01PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> > So I changed my mind, slightly.  I can still have the "order" parameter to
> > make the API cleaner (even if it'll be a pure overhead.. because all
> > existing caller will pass in PUD_SIZE as of now), 
> 
> That doesn't seem right, the callers should report the real value not
> artifically cap it.. Like ARM does have page sizes greater than PUD
> that might be interesting to enable someday for PFN users.

It needs to pass in PUD_SIZE to match what vfio-pci currently supports in
its huge_fault().

> 
> > but I think I'll still
> > stick with the ifdef in patch 4, as I mentioned here:
> 
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/aFGMG3763eSv9l8b@x1.local/
> > 
> > The problem is I just noticed yet again that exporting
> > huge_mapping_get_va_aligned() for all configs doesn't make sense.  At least
> > it'll need something like this to make !MMU compile for VFIO, while this is
> > definitely some ugliness I also want to avoid..
> 
> IMHO this uglyness should certainly be contained to the mm code and not
> leak into drivers.
> 
> > There's just no way to provide a sane default value for !MMU.
> 
> So all this mess seems to say that get_unmapped_area() is just the
> wrong fop to have here. It can't be implemented sanely for !MMU and
> has these weird conditions, like can't fail.
> 
> I again suggest to just simplify and add an new fop 
> 
> size_t get_best_mapping_order(struct file *filp, pgoff_t pgoff,
>                               size_t length);
> 
> Which will return the largest pgoff aligned order within pgoff/length
> that the FD could try to install. Very simple for the driver
> side. vfio pci will just return ilog2(bar_size).
> 
> PAGE_SHIFT can be a safe default.

I agree this is a better way.  We can make the PAGE_SHIFT by default or
just 0, because it doesn't sound necessary to me to support anything
smaller than PAGE_SIZE.. maybe a "int" retval would suffice to also cover
errors.

So this will introduce a new file operation that will only be used so far
in VFIO, playing similar role until we start to convert many
get_unmapped_area() to this one.

> 
> Then put all this maze of conditionals in the mm side replacing the
> call to fops->get_unmapped_area() and don't export anything new. The
> mm will automaticall cap the alignment based on what the architecture
> can do and what 
> 
> !MMU would simply entirely ignore this new stuff.

For the long term, we should move all get_unmapped_area() users to the new
API.  For old !MMU users, we should rename get_unmapped_area() to something
better, like get_mmap_addr().  For those cases it's really not about
looking for something not mapped, but normally exactly what is requested.

> 
> > So going one step back: huge_mapping_get_va_aligned() (or whatever name we
> > prefer) doesn't make sense to be exported always, but only when CONFIG_MMU.
> > It should follow the same way we treat mm_get_unmapped_area().
> 
> We just deleted !SMP, I really wonder if it is time for !MMU to go
> away too..

Yes, if this comes earlier, we can completely drop get_unmapped_area()
after all existing MMU users converted to the new one.

Any early objections / concerns / comments from anyone else, before I go
and introduce it?

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-18 19:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-13 13:41 [PATCH 0/5] mm/vfio: huge pfnmaps with !MAP_FIXED mappings Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: Deduplicate mm_get_unmapped_area() Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 14:55   ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 14:58   ` Zi Yan
2025-06-13 15:57   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13 17:00     ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-13 18:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16  8:01   ` David Laight
2025-06-17 21:13     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm/hugetlb: Remove prepare_hugepage_range() Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 14:59   ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 15:13   ` Zi Yan
2025-06-13 16:24     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 18:01       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-14  4:11   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-17 21:07     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: Rename __thp_get_unmapped_area to mm_get_unmapped_area_aligned Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:17   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 15:13     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 16:00       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 18:31         ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 15:19   ` Zi Yan
2025-06-13 18:33     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 15:36   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13 18:45     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 19:18       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13 20:34         ` Peter Xu
2025-06-14  5:58           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-14  5:23   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-16 12:14     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-16 12:20       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-16 12:26         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 4/5] vfio: Introduce vfio_device_ops.get_unmapped_area hook Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:18   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 18:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-14 14:46   ` kernel test robot
2025-06-17 15:39     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 15:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 16:47         ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 19:39           ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 19:46             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 20:01               ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 23:00                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 23:26                   ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 5/5] vfio-pci: Best-effort huge pfnmaps with !MAP_FIXED mappings Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 15:26     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 16:09       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 19:15         ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 23:16           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-16 22:06             ` Peter Xu
2025-06-16 23:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 20:56                 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 23:18                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 23:36                     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-18 16:56                       ` Peter Xu
2025-06-18 17:46                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-18 19:15                           ` Peter Xu [this message]
2025-06-19 13:58                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-19 14:55                               ` Peter Xu
2025-06-19 18:40                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 20:37                                   ` Peter Xu
2025-06-24 20:51                                     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-24 23:40                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25  0:48                                       ` Peter Xu
2025-06-25 13:07                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25 17:12                                           ` Peter Xu
2025-06-25 18:41                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25 19:26                                               ` Peter Xu
2025-06-30 14:05                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02 20:58                                                   ` Peter Xu
2025-07-02 23:32                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 17:44   ` Alex Mastro
2025-06-13 18:53     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 18:09   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-13 19:21     ` Peter Xu

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