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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Where to put page->memdesc initially
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 00:24:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aLd8l8v_DL75NU43@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250902211514.GQ186519@nvidia.com>

On Tue, Sep 02, 2025 at 06:15:14PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 02, 2025 at 10:06:05PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> 
> > I'm concerned by things like compaction that are executing
> > asynchronously and might see a page mid-transition.  Or something like
> > GUP or lockless pagecache lookup that might get a stale page
> > pointer.
> 
> At least GUP fast obtains a page refcount before touching the rest of
> struct page, so I think it can't see those kinds of races since the
> page shouldn't be transitioning with a non-zero refcount?

OK, so ...

 - For folios, there's already no such thing as a page refcount (you may
   already know this and are just being slightly sloppy while
   speaking).  If you attempt to access the refcount on a tail page,
   you're silently redirected to the folio refcount.

 - That's not going to change with memdescs; for pages which are part of
   a memdesc, attempting to acess the page's refcount will redirect to
   the folio's refcount.

What GUP-fast will do once we get to Page2025 is:

 - READ_ONCE(page->memdesc)
 - Check that the bottom bits match a folio.  If not, fall back to
   GUP-slow (or retry; I forget the details).
 - tryget the refcount, if fail fall back/retry
 - if (READ_ONCE(page->memdesc) != memdesc) { folio_put(); retry/fallback }
 - yay, we succeeded.

So that's all a little more complicated with two places to check as
an intermediate state, but I think it's doable.  It's just fiddly.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-02 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-02 19:03 Where to put page->memdesc initially Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-02 20:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-02 20:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 21:06   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-02 21:15     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-02 23:24       ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2025-09-02 23:57         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-03  4:46           ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-03  9:38             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-03 12:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-03 12:43             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-03  9:33     ` David Hildenbrand

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