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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: Pankaj Raghav <p.raghav@samsung.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>, Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	mcgrof@kernel.org, gost.dev@samsung.com, kernel@pankajraghav.com,
	tytso@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 0/3] Decoupling large folios dependency on THP
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 07:37:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aTp01WOPU0dYT7yx@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D498FB7E-1C57-47A6-BAF4-EA1BAAE75526@nvidia.com>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 11:37:51AM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
> On 9 Dec 2025, at 23:27, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Dec 09, 2025 at 11:03:23AM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
> >> I wonder if core-mm should move mTHP code out of CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE
> >> and mTHP might just work. Hmm, folio split might need to be moved out of
> >> mm/huge_memory.c in that case. khugepaged should work for mTHP without
> >> CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE as well. OK, for anon folios, the changes might
> >> be more involved.
> >
> > I think this is the key question to be discussed at LPC.  How much of
> 
> I am not going, so would like to get a summary afterwards. :)

You can join the fun at meet.lpc.events, or there's apparently a youtube
stream.

> > the current THP code should we say "OK, this is large folio support
> > and everybody needs it" and how much is "This is PMD (or mTHP) support;
> > this architecture doesn't have it, we don't need to compile it in".
> 
> I agree with most of it, except mTHP part. mTHP should be part of large
> folio, since I see mTHP is anon equivalent to file backed large folio.
> Both are a >0 order folio mapped by PTEs (ignoring to-be-implemented
> multi-PMD mapped large folios for now).

Maybe we disagree about what words mean ;-)  When I said "mTHP" what
I meant was "support for TLB entries which cover more than one page".
I have no objection to supporting large folio allocation for anon memory
because I think that's beneficial even if there's no hardware support
for TLB entries that cover intermediate sizes between PMD and PTE.


      reply	other threads:[~2025-12-11  7:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-06  3:08 [RFC v2 0/3] Decoupling large folios dependency on THP Pankaj Raghav
2025-12-06  3:08 ` [RFC v2 1/3] filemap: set max order to be min order if THP is disabled Pankaj Raghav
2025-12-09  7:45   ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-12-09 16:33     ` Pankaj Raghav
2025-12-10  0:38       ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-12-06  3:08 ` [RFC v2 2/3] huge_memory: skip warning if min order and folio order are same in split Pankaj Raghav
2025-12-06  3:08 ` [RFC v2 3/3] blkdev: remove CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGES dependency for LBS devices Pankaj Raghav
2025-12-09 16:03 ` [RFC v2 0/3] Decoupling large folios dependency on THP Zi Yan
2025-12-10  4:27   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-12-10 16:37     ` Zi Yan
2025-12-11  7:37       ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]

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