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From: Leonardo Bras <leobras.c@gmail.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: Leonardo Bras <leobras.c@gmail.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Boqun Feun <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Introduce QPW for per-cpu operations (v2)
Date: Sun,  8 Mar 2026 15:02:17 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa25qVYi67f6IyjP@WindFlash> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aabC6ScPN2_PyPY_@pavilion.home>

On Tue, Mar 03, 2026 at 12:15:53PM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> Le Mon, Mar 02, 2026 at 12:49:45PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti a écrit :
> > The problem:
> > Some places in the kernel implement a parallel programming strategy
> > consisting on local_locks() for most of the work, and some rare remote
> > operations are scheduled on target cpu. This keeps cache bouncing low since
> > cacheline tends to be mostly local, and avoids the cost of locks in non-RT
> > kernels, even though the very few remote operations will be expensive due
> > to scheduling overhead.
> > 
> > On the other hand, for RT workloads this can represent a problem: getting
> > an important workload scheduled out to deal with remote requests is
> > sure to introduce unexpected deadline misses.
> > 
> > The idea:
> > Currently with PREEMPT_RT=y, local_locks() become per-cpu spinlocks.
> > In this case, instead of scheduling work on a remote cpu, it should
> > be safe to grab that remote cpu's per-cpu spinlock and run the required
> > work locally. That major cost, which is un/locking in every local function,
> > already happens in PREEMPT_RT.
> > 
> > Also, there is no need to worry about extra cache bouncing:
> > The cacheline invalidation already happens due to schedule_work_on().
> > 
> > This will avoid schedule_work_on(), and thus avoid scheduling-out an
> > RT workload.
> > 
> > Proposed solution:
> > A new interface called Queue PerCPU Work (QPW), which should replace
> > Work Queue in the above mentioned use case.
> > 
> > If CONFIG_QPW=n this interfaces just wraps the current
> > local_locks + WorkQueue behavior, so no expected change in runtime.
> > 
> > If CONFIG_QPW=y, and qpw kernel boot option =1, 
> > queue_percpu_work_on(cpu,...) will lock that cpu's per-cpu structure
> > and perform work on it locally. This is possible because on 
> > functions that can be used for performing remote work on remote 
> > per-cpu structures, the local_lock (which is already
> > a this_cpu spinlock()), will be replaced by a qpw_spinlock(), which
> > is able to get the per_cpu spinlock() for the cpu passed as parameter.
> 
> Ok I'm slowly considering this as a more comfortable solution than the
> flush before userspace. Despite it being perhaps a bit more complicated,
> remote handling of housekeeping work is more surprise-free against all
> the possible nohz_full usecases that we are having a hard time to envision.
> 
> Reviewing this more in details now.

Awesome! Thanks!
Leo

> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Frederic Weisbecker
> SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-08 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-02 15:49 [PATCH v2 0/5] Introduce QPW for per-cpu operations (v2) Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] slab: distinguish lock and trylock for sheaf_flush_main() Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] Introducing qpw_lock() and per-cpu queue & flush work Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-03 12:03   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-03 16:02     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-08 18:00       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-03-09 10:14         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-11  0:16           ` Leonardo Bras
2026-03-11  7:58   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-15 17:37     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-03-16 10:55       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-23  0:51         ` Leonardo Bras
2026-03-13 21:55   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-15 18:10     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-03-17 13:33       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-23  1:38         ` Leonardo Bras
2026-03-24 11:54           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-24 22:06             ` Leonardo Bras
2026-03-23 14:36         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm/swap: move bh draining into a separate workqueue Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] swap: apply new queue_percpu_work_on() interface Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] slub: " Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-03 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Introduce QPW for per-cpu operations (v2) Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-08 18:02   ` Leonardo Bras [this message]
2026-03-03 12:07 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-05 16:55 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-06  1:47   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-10 21:34     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-10 17:12   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-10 22:14     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-11  1:18     ` Hillf Danton
2026-03-11  7:54     ` Vlastimil Babka

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