From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/5] mm/mseal: update madvise() logic
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:46:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa839e3a-11f3-49e1-8c3b-a60106c8d165@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <507a09cf-291c-4886-92e7-9d9cc294a247@lucifer.local>
>>
>> Well, there is long-term pinning that can break COW and other weird stuff
>> like FOLL_FORCE. Most of the latter probably holds the mmap lock in write
>> mode. Probably.
>
> Well GUP uses read lock.
Right, so it can race with MADV_DONTNEED.
>
> FOLL_FORCE won't override anything as we have this check in check_vma_flags():
>
> if (write) {
> if (!vma_anon &&
> !writable_file_mapping_allowed(vma, gup_flags))
> return -EFAULT;
>
> if (!(vm_flags & VM_WRITE) || (vm_flags & VM_SHADOW_STACK)) {
> if (!(gup_flags & FOLL_FORCE))
> return -EFAULT;
> /*
> * We used to let the write,force case do COW in a
> * VM_MAYWRITE VM_SHARED !VM_WRITE vma, so ptrace could
> * set a breakpoint in a read-only mapping of an
> * executable, without corrupting the file (yet only
> * when that file had been opened for writing!).
> * Anon pages in shared mappings are surprising: now
> * just reject it.
> */
> if (!is_cow_mapping(vm_flags))
> return -EFAULT;
> }
> }
>
> With:
>
> static inline bool is_cow_mapping(vm_flags_t flags)
> {
> return (flags & (VM_SHARED | VM_MAYWRITE)) == VM_MAYWRITE;
> }
>
Not sure what you mean. Using FOLL_FORCE you can write into MAP_PRIVATE
R/O mappings. Particular useful for installing breakpoints into loaded
executables etc.
is_cow_mapping() tells you exactly that: the only place where we can
have anon folios is when we have a MAP_PRIVATE mapping (!VM_SHARED) that
can be writable, for example, through mprotect(PROT_WRITE) (VM_MAYWRITE).
A MAP_PRIVATE R/O file mapping matches is_cow_mapping().
> So - we explicitly disallow FOLL_FORCE write override for CoW file-backed
> mappings.
>
> Obviously if FOLL_FORCE is not set, then we're ALSO not allowed to get past a
> FOLL_WRITE and !VM_WRITE situation.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Hmm maybe I'll soften on this anon_vma idea then. Maybe it is a 'cheap fix' to
>>> rule out the _usual_ cases.
>>
>> Yeah, something to evaluate.
>
> I'm thinking more and more we're probably actually safe with !vma->anon_vma ||
> !(vma->vm_flags & VM_MAYWRITE).
I think there are possible races, the question is how much you care
about them.
In case of CoW-unsharing, you're not actually discarding data, because
the page in the anon folio is to maintain a copy of the pagecache page
(of course, they can go out of sync, but that's a different discussion).
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-25 9:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-16 17:38 [PATCH v3 0/5] mseal cleanups, fixup MAP_PRIVATE file-backed case Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] mm/mseal: always define VM_SEALED Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:34 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 18:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] mm/mseal: update madvise() logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:39 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 18:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 22:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 19:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 21:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 6:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 16:22 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 21:15 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-24 21:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 21:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 22:29 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-24 22:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 7:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 5:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 16:21 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 22:12 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 7:01 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 7:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 8:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 9:46 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-07-25 10:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 10:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 10:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] mm/mseal: small cleanups Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:40 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] mm/mseal: Simplify and rename VMA gap check Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:40 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-25 5:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] mm/mseal: rework mseal apply logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:41 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 18:32 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] mseal cleanups, fixup MAP_PRIVATE file-backed case Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 19:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 6:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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