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From: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: Sohil Mehta <sohil.mehta@intel.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	 Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	 Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	 Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	 Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	usamaarif642@gmail.com, kas@kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com,
	 Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>,
	"Accardi, Kristen C" <kristen.c.accardi@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/4] mm: huge_memory: refactor enabled_store() with change_enabled()
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2026 04:23:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <abk5eqVbwlw1FGsI@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1b7d1bdf-c002-4543-b858-09fd2b1b73f9@lucifer.local>

On Tue, Mar 17, 2026 at 09:37:39AM +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 04:26:30PM -0700, Sohil Mehta wrote:
> > On 3/16/2026 3:12 AM, Breno Leitao wrote:
> >
> > >> I am not a mm expert and typically do not follow the mm list. Is there
> > >> an issue with the usage of non-atomic variants here? The commit message
> > >> says this uses the same pattern as set_anon_enabled_mode().
> > >>
> > >> However, set_anon_enabled_mode() has a spinlock=>huge_anon_orders_lock
> > >> protecting the access. But, transparent_hugepage_flags seems to be
> > >> unprotected in that regard.
> > >
> > > I don't think that the atomic vs non-atomic will not help much, given
> > > this is a compoud operation. Independently if this is atomic or not, it
> > > is racy with anyone changing these fields (transparent_hugepage_flags).
> > > In other words, Atomic ops make each individual bit flip safe, but
> > > set_global_enabled_mode() and defrag_store() need to flip multiple bits
> > > as a group. With atomic ops, two concurrent writers can still interleave
> > > and leave the flags in an invalid state.
> >
> > You are right it is a compound operation. So, there is an existing issue
> > with two concurrent writers which can leave the flags in an invalid state.
> >
> > But, I was wondering if there is a slightly different issue now due to
> > the non-atomic part. Some updates could be lost depending on the timing
> > of the operation.
> >
> > For example,
> >
> > CPU1 does:				CPU2 does:
> > set_global_enabled_mode("always")	defrag_store("always")
> >
> > ___test_and_set_bit():
> > // Trying to set bit 1
> >
> > old = *p
> > // reads flags, sees defrag bit=0
> >
> > 					set_bit(DEFRAG_DIRECT_FLAG)
> > 					// atomic: sets bit 3
> >
> >
> > *p = old | TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_FLAG;
> 
> > // writes back old value with bit 1 set
> > // DEFRAG_DIRECT_FLAG is lost (reverted to 0)
> >
> > IIUC, this issue didn't exist before. I think it might be safer to use
> > the atomic test_and_set_bit() to be compatible with the older code.
> > Though, I'll leave it up to you as I don't have expertise here.
> 
> No, it's up to the maintainers :)
> 
> Given the above I think we should switch back to the atomic accessors.
> 
> We can address the broader issues with this horrible code in a separate
> series.

Ack. let me respin then.

> > Overall, as you mentioned below, protecting transparent_hugepage_flags
> > with a spinlock seems like a better, long-term solution to me as well.
> 
> Yeah, let's look at doing a follow up that cleans this up in general and
> address that then.

Sure. I am planning to improve defrag_store() as the next work, and then
come up with this additional spinlock for transparent_hugepage_flags.




  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-17 11:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-11 10:17 [PATCH v6 0/4] mm: thp: reduce unnecessary start_stop_khugepaged() calls Breno Leitao
2026-03-11 10:17 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] mm: khugepaged: export set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() Breno Leitao
2026-03-11 10:17 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] mm: huge_memory: refactor anon_enabled_store() with change_anon_orders() Breno Leitao
2026-03-11 11:44   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-23  9:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-11 10:17 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] mm: huge_memory: refactor enabled_store() with change_enabled() Breno Leitao
2026-03-11 12:20   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-13 22:31   ` Sohil Mehta
2026-03-16 10:12     ` Breno Leitao
2026-03-16 23:26       ` Sohil Mehta
2026-03-17  9:37         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-17 11:23           ` Breno Leitao [this message]
2026-03-17 11:25             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-17 11:48               ` Breno Leitao
2026-03-11 10:17 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] mm: ratelimit min_free_kbytes adjustment messages Breno Leitao

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