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From: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
Cc: kasong@tencent.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	 Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	 Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>, Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	 David Stevens <stevensd@google.com>,
	Chen Ridong <chenridong@huaweicloud.com>,
	 Leno Hou <lenohou@gmail.com>, Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	 Zicheng Wang <wangzicheng@honor.com>,
	Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>, Vernon Yang <vernon2gm@gmail.com>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>,
	 Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/12] mm/mglru: simplify and improve dirty writeback handling
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2026 19:44:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac44BVOvOm8lhVvj@KASONG-MC4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac2rO_ovnIQIeYZr@linux.dev>

On Wed, Apr 01, 2026 at 04:37:14PM +0800, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 03:52:34AM +0800, Kairui Song via B4 Relay wrote:
> > From: Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
> > 
> > The current handling of dirty writeback folios is not working well for
> > file page heavy workloads: Dirty folios are protected and move to next
> > gen upon isolation of getting throttled or reactivation upon pageout
> > (shrink_folio_list).
> > 
> > This might help to reduce the LRU lock contention slightly, but as a
> > result, the ping-pong effect of folios between head and tail of last two
> > gens is serious as the shrinker will run into protected dirty writeback
> > folios more frequently compared to activation. The dirty flush wakeup
> > condition is also much more passive compared to active/inactive LRU.
> > Active / inactve LRU wakes the flusher if one batch of folios passed to
> > shrink_folio_list is unevictable due to under writeback, but MGLRU
> > instead has to check this after the whole reclaim loop is done, and then
> > count the isolation protection number compared to the total reclaim
> > number.
> 
> I was just ranting about this on Baolin's patch and thanks for unifying them.
> 
> > 
> > And we previously saw OOM problems with it, too, which were fixed but
> > still not perfect [1].
> > 
> > So instead, just drop the special handling for dirty writeback, just
> > re-activate it like active / inactive LRU. And also move the dirty flush
> > wake up check right after shrink_folio_list. This should improve both
> > throttling and performance.
> 
> Please divide this patch into two separate ones. One for moving the flusher
> waker (& v1 throttling) within evict_folios() and second the above heuristic of
> dirty writeback.

OK, but throttling is not handled by this commit, it handled by the last
commit. And using the common routine in shrink_folio_list and activate the
folio is suppose to be done before moving the flusher wakeup and throttle,
as I observed some inefficient reclaim or over aggressive / passive if we
don't do that first. We will run into these folios again and again very
frequently and shrink_folio_list also have better dirty / writeback
detection.

I tested these two changes separately again in case I remembered it
wrongly, using the MongoDB YCSB case:

Before this series or commit, it's similar:
Throughput(ops/sec), 63414.891930455

Apply only the remove folio_inc_gen and use shrink_folio_list
to active folio part in this commit:
Throughput(ops/sec), 68580.83394294075

Skip the folio_inc_gen part but apply other part:
Throughput(ops/sec), 61614.29451632779

After the two fixes together (apply this commit fully):
Throughput(ops/sec), 80857.08510208207

And the whole series:
Throughput(ops/sec), 79760.71784646061

The test is a bit noisy, but after the whole series the throttling
seems is already slightly slowing down the workload, still accetable
IMO, this is also why activate the folios here is a good idea or we
will run into problematic throttling.

I think this can be further improved later, as I observed previously with
the LFU alike rework I mentioned, it will help promote folios more
proactively to younger gen and it will have a even better performance:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/CAMgjq7BoekNjg-Ra3C8M7=8=75su38w=HD782T5E_cxyeCeH_g@mail.gmail.com/

For now I can split this into two in V3, first a commit to use the
common routine for activating the folio, then move then fluster wakeup.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-02 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-28 19:52 [PATCH v2 00/12] mm/mglru: improve reclaim loop and dirty folio handling Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/12] mm/mglru: consolidate common code for retrieving evitable size Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/12] mm/mglru: rename variables related to aging and rotation Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-30  1:57   ` Chen Ridong
2026-03-30  7:59   ` Baolin Wang
2026-04-01  0:00   ` Barry Song
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/12] mm/mglru: relocate the LRU scan batch limit to callers Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-30  8:14   ` Baolin Wang
2026-04-01  0:20     ` Barry Song
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/12] mm/mglru: restructure the reclaim loop Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-29  6:47   ` Kairui Song
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/12] mm/mglru: scan and count the exact number of folios Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-31  8:04   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-31  9:01     ` Kairui Song
2026-03-31  9:52       ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 06/12] mm/mglru: use a smaller batch for reclaim Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-31  8:08   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 07/12] mm/mglru: don't abort scan immediately right after aging Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 08/12] mm/mglru: simplify and improve dirty writeback handling Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-29  8:21   ` Kairui Song
2026-03-29  8:46     ` Kairui Song
2026-03-31  8:42   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-31  9:18     ` Kairui Song
2026-04-01  2:52       ` Baolin Wang
2026-04-01  4:57         ` Kairui Song
2026-04-02  0:11       ` Barry Song
2026-04-01 23:37   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-04-02 11:44     ` Kairui Song [this message]
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 09/12] mm/mglru: remove no longer used reclaim argument for folio protection Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 10/12] mm/vmscan: remove sc->file_taken Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-31  8:49   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 11/12] mm/vmscan: remove sc->unqueued_dirty Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-31  8:51   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-28 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 12/12] mm/vmscan: unify writeback reclaim statistic and throttling Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-03-31  9:24   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-31  9:29     ` Kairui Song
2026-03-31  9:36       ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-31  9:40         ` Kairui Song
2026-04-01  5:01   ` Leno Hou
2026-04-02  2:39   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-04-02  2:56     ` Kairui Song
2026-04-02  3:17       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-04-01  5:18 ` [PATCH v2 00/12] mm/mglru: improve reclaim loop and dirty folio handling Leno Hou
2026-04-01  7:36   ` Kairui Song

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