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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: David CARLIER <devnexen@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] mm/userfaultfd: detect VMA replacement after copy retry in mfill_copy_folio_retry()
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2026 09:29:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac5vVFXgyqODXaab@x1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3qYA40OW29ibbq@kernel.org>

Hi, Mike,

On Thu, Apr 02, 2026 at 07:02:40AM +0300, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2026 at 03:22:03PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> >
> > The other thing is I just noticed the err code was changed to -EINVAL for
> > snapshot changed cases, sorry I didn't follow previously as closely on the
> > discussion.  I think it should be -EAGAIN.  It's because the userapp can't
> > resolve -EINVAL failures and app will crash.  In a VMA change use case, we
> > should return -EAGAIN to imply the app to retry, rather than crashing.
> 
> No. The return value should express that the VMA is invalid. -EINVAL could
> work, but looking now at the manual -ENOENT would be even better:
> 
>        ENOENT (since Linux 4.11)
>               The faulting process has changed its virtual memory layout
>               simultaneously with an outstanding UFFDIO_COPY operation.

The VMA changed, but it doesn't mean the UFFDIO_COPY becomes illegal, am I
right?

For example, I wonder if it's possible someone runs soft-dirty concurrently
with userfaultfd, we shouldn't fail the userapp if there's a concurrent
thread collecting dirty information, which IIUC can cause VMA flag changes,
and should be benign, and I think there can be other things causing the
interruption too.

-EAGAIN essentially requested the user to retry.  If the VMA is not legal
to be operated anymore, it will fail later.  However we should allow legal
users to pass.

Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu



  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-04-02 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-31 13:41 [PATCH v4] mm/userfaultfd: detect VMA replacement after copy retry in mfill_copy_folio_retry() David Carlier
2026-04-01  3:01 ` Andrew Morton
2026-04-01  7:49   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-04-01  8:06     ` David CARLIER
2026-04-01 15:23       ` Peter Xu
2026-04-01 18:34         ` David CARLIER
2026-04-01 19:22           ` Peter Xu
2026-04-01 20:05             ` David CARLIER
2026-04-02  4:02             ` Mike Rapoport
2026-04-02  5:59               ` David CARLIER
2026-04-02 13:29               ` Peter Xu [this message]
2026-04-02  3:58       ` Mike Rapoport
2026-04-02 13:42         ` Peter Xu

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