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From: Li Wang <liwang@redhat.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	longman@redhat.com, yosryahmed@google.com, nphamcs@gmail.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, mhocko@kernel.org, mkoutny@suse.com,
	muchun.song@linux.dev, tj@kernel.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/7] selftests/cgroup: improve zswap tests robustness and support large page sizes
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2026 20:16:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <acKAr0TYzuYPxH4A@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAO9r8zPxUv5V+VKEBuyacJUsc-UWh7hGc06yNQntY2GcUJLBPw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 05:12:27PM -0700, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2026 at 8:23 PM Li Wang <liwang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2026 at 09:18:51AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 14:10:31 +0800 Li Wang <liwang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This patchset aims to fix various spurious failures and improve the overall
> > > > robustness of the cgroup zswap selftests.
> > >
> > > AI review has questions:
> > >       https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/20260322061038.156146-1-liwang@redhat.com
> >
> > > [Sashiko comments in patch 4/7]
> > > ...
> > > Could we update this loop, along with the identical loops in
> > > alloc_anon_noexit() and alloc_anon_50M_check_swap() shown below, to use
> > > sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE) instead?
> >
> > I found that Waiman submit another patch that do same thing like this
> > suggestion. I'd consider to merge that one into my patch 4/7.
> >
> > So, let me talk to Waiman first.
> 
> Probably fits better in your patch.
> 
> > > The test data is generated by writing a single 'a' character per page, leaving
> > > the rest zero-filled:
> >
> > >       for (int i = 0; i < control_allocation_size; i += pagesize)
> > >               control_allocation[i] = 'a';
> >
> > > This makes the data highly compressible. Because memory.max is set to half of
> > > control_allocation_size, 512 pages are pushed into zswap.
> >
> > > 512 pages of mostly zeros can compress down to roughly 11 to 15 kilobytes
> > > using compressors like zstd, which is well below the 65536 byte (64k)
> > > zswap.max limit on a 64k page system.
> >
> > > Since the limit might not be reached, writeback might never trigger,
> > > causing the test to falsely fail. Should the test use incompressible data
> > > or a lower fixed limit?
> >
> > If Sashiko suggests reducing compressibility, we'd need to fill a significant
> > fraction of each page with varied data, but that would work against the test:
> >
> > zswap would reject poorly compressing pages and send them straight to swap,
> > and memory.stat:zswapped might never reach the threshold the test checks
> > with cg_read_key_long(..., "zswapped") < 1.
> >
> > So, at most I'd keep the data highly compressible and just ensure non-zero,
> > unique-per-page markers.
> 
> Sashiko claims that 512 pages will end up consuming 11K to 15K in
> zswap with this setup, do you know what the actual number is?

Not very sure, I guess each 64K page contains 1 byte of 'a' and 65535 bytes
of zero. A single page like that compresses down to roughly 20–30 bytes
(a short literal plus a very long zero run, plus frame/header overhead).
So the estimate is roughly 512 × 25 bytes ≈ 12.8 KB, which is where the
"11 to 15 kilobytes" ballpark comes from.

> Especially with different compressors? If it's close to 64K, this
> might be a problem.

Yes, good point, when I swith to use 'zstd' compressor, it doesn't work.


> Maybe we can fill half of each page with increasing values? It should
> still be compressible but not too compressible.

I tried, this method works on Lzo algorithm but not Zstd.
Anyway, I am still investigating.


-- 
Regards,
Li Wang



  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-24 12:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-22  6:10 [PATCH v4 0/7] selftests/cgroup: improve zswap tests robustness and support large page sizes Li Wang
2026-03-22  6:10 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] selftests/cgroup: skip test_zswap if zswap is globally disabled Li Wang
2026-03-24  0:13   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-03-24  6:46     ` Li Wang
2026-03-22  6:10 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] selftests/cgroup: avoid OOM in test_swapin_nozswap Li Wang
2026-03-22  6:10 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] selftests/cgroup: use runtime page size for zswpin check Li Wang
2026-03-22  6:10 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] selftests/cgroup: rename PAGE_SIZE to BUF_SIZE in cgroup_util Li Wang
2026-03-22  6:10 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] selftests/cgroup: replace hardcoded page size values in test_zswap Li Wang
2026-03-24  0:05   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-03-22  6:10 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] selftest/cgroup: fix zswap test_no_invasive_cgroup_shrink on large pagesize system Li Wang
2026-03-22  6:10 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] selftest/cgroup: fix zswap attempt_writeback() on 64K " Li Wang
2026-03-22 16:18 ` [PATCH v4 0/7] selftests/cgroup: improve zswap tests robustness and support large page sizes Andrew Morton
2026-03-23  3:23   ` Li Wang
2026-03-24  0:12     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-03-24 12:16       ` Li Wang [this message]
2026-03-24 20:28         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-03-25  2:26           ` Li Wang
2026-03-25  2:49             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-03-25  6:12               ` Li Wang
2026-03-25  6:17                 ` Li Wang
2026-03-25  7:21                   ` Li Wang

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