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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
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	 Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>,
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	wangzicheng <wangzicheng@honor.com>,
	 "T . J . Mercier" <tjmercier@google.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2026 11:21:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <acV39ErpINby9rpn@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <acVPlB1Y8IR-RKCg@tiehlicka>

On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 04:24:04PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 26-03-26 06:44:07, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 08:12:10AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Wed 25-03-26 14:06:37, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> [...]
> > > I think we should focus to make a single canonical reclaim
> > > implementation work well. I.e. we deal with most (or ideally all) known
> > > regressions of MGLRU. 
> > 
> > Here we disagree on the approach or steps to reach the single canonical reclaim
> > implementation. MGLRU is a plethora of different mechanisms and policies and it
> > never went through rigorous evaluation for each of those mechanisms and
> > policies individually. To me that needs to be done to have one solution. 
> 
> If my recollection is correct from the LSFMM (2022) there was a promise that
> MGLRU architecture should allow to add extension and eventually
> supersede traditional LRU. If we do not see that happening then we
> should re-evaluate current MGRLU approach. I do not think we want to
> build reclaim_ext architecture on top of the current code. Or are you
> suggesting to achieve MGLRU through reclaim_ext?

My main objective is to unify the reclaim i.e. one reclaim algorithm/mechanism
and then (later) provide a framework where folks/kernel-engs/researchers can
experiment with new techniques/algorithms without changing the core reclaim.

Regarding MGLRU, after unification something from MGLRU remains which does not
makes sense to put in the core reclaim, that can be provided through the
framework. For reclaim_ext, I just like the name, looks fancy :).


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-26 18:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-25 21:06 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext) Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26  0:10 ` T.J. Mercier
2026-03-26  2:05 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-26  7:03   ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26  8:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:37       ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:13         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:42           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-26 13:45             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:02         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 20:02       ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-26 20:30         ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 20:47           ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-26 12:06   ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 12:31     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:17       ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:26         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:21   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26  7:12 ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 13:44   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 15:24     ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 18:21       ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2026-03-26  7:18 ` wangzicheng
2026-03-26 11:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 15:24   ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 15:35     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:32       ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 16:40         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 18:49   ` Shakeel Butt

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