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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	Chen Ridong <chenridong@huaweicloud.com>,
	Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
	Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>, Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
	David Stevens <stevensd@google.com>,
	Vernon Yang <vernon2gm@gmail.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
	wangzicheng <wangzicheng@honor.com>,
	"T . J . Mercier" <tjmercier@google.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2026 12:56:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <adU3P9fk8h-AmEp4@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adTonuzmUc2AzUhp@lucifer>

On Tue, Apr 07, 2026 at 12:36:36PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> >
> > And the current code structure makes it difficult to whittle down the
> > differences methodically.
> >
> > IMO modularization is the best path forward. Giving people the ability
> > to experiment with a la carte combinations of features would make it
> > much easier to actually production test and prove individual ideas.
> 

...

> 
> In a possibly, fantasy ideal world scenario *puffs on dream pipe*, it'd be
> amazing to somehow isolate the reclaim code in such a way that we could
> instrument it for testing purposes.
> 
> E.g. if it could be invoked from userland, or UML, or _something_ and then
> faked out to have a certain configuration of X NUMA nodes and Y GB of RAM
> with Z processes competing with total observability of what's happening in
> the algorithm that could allow for really robust controllable testing and
> regression tests, as well as possibly some form of fuzzing for broken
> reclaim scenarios.
> 
> *Puts dream pipe down*

*picks up the pipe*

At risk of being shot - this kind of stubbing / functional testing is
somewhat trivial work these days via <pick your favorite LLM> with
reasonably well designed interfaces.

   ( read: probably not with the current api n_n;; ).

So to get there, we'd need to agree on the refactor work and interfaces
that make it possible to model the scenarios outside a running kernel.

If we do actually want to move the core to look like:
  - vmscan.c  : core library
  - lru.c     : standard lru
  - mglru.c   : mglru

Might as well consider the functional testing question as well as we
decide what those interfaces look like anyway.

*throws the pipe into the bikeshed*

~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-07 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-25 21:06 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext) Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26  0:10 ` T.J. Mercier
2026-03-26  2:05 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-26  7:03   ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26  8:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:37       ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:13         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:42           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-26 13:45             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:02         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 20:02       ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-26 20:30         ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 20:47           ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-27  3:43             ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-27 19:12               ` Tal Zussman
2026-03-27 19:43                 ` Gregory Price
2026-03-27  8:07         ` [Lsf-pc] " Vlastimil Babka
2026-03-27  9:29           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:06   ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 12:31     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:17       ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:26         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:21   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26  7:12 ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 13:44   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 15:24     ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 18:21       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26  7:18 ` wangzicheng
2026-03-26 11:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 15:24   ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 15:35     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:32       ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 16:40         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 19:53       ` Johannes Weiner
2026-04-07 11:36         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-07 16:56           ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-04-07 17:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-07 17:52               ` Johannes Weiner
2026-04-07 18:37               ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 18:49   ` Shakeel Butt

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