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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	Chen Ridong <chenridong@huaweicloud.com>,
	Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
	Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>, Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
	David Stevens <stevensd@google.com>,
	Vernon Yang <vernon2gm@gmail.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
	wangzicheng <wangzicheng@honor.com>,
	"T . J . Mercier" <tjmercier@google.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2026 14:37:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <adVPAS4PP7wK0Pxq@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adU8VnzlLw9JUHB3@lucifer>

On Tue, Apr 07, 2026 at 06:30:55PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> 
> > somewhat trivial work these days via <pick your favorite LLM> with
> > reasonably well designed interfaces.
> 
> Though to be honest, I did ask Claude to do this with some code before and was
> really impressed with how quickly it came up with something.
> 
> Buuut I've generally found the code LLMs produce... terrible? Really terrible?
> So I think you'd want there to be some level of human improvement there.
> 
> And in any case, maybe doing things this way will struggle to really represent
> real world cases (lock contention etc.) but OTOH, being able to simulate a high
> memory pressure environment with certain parameters even without [the rest of
> the kernel] interacting might still be super super useful for diagnosing issues.x
>

There is a concern people start looking at these tests as signal for
performance regressions - which is neither meaningful nor useful
(unless you fundamentally break list iteration or something).

But for trivial cases, you'd at least like to know under strongly
controlled aging and reclaim scenarios that anon/file memory is
reclaimed in a balanced manner - just as an example. 

If something breaks THAT assumption, you know there's a logic issue.

Likewise with comparisons between LRU and MGLRU.  It might be easier to
identify the behavioral divergences that way.

But i fear the whole page-table walk thing makes all of this a
non-starter.  That's turns into stubbing out like rmap and such.

~Gregory


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-04-07 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-25 21:06 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext) Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26  0:10 ` T.J. Mercier
2026-03-26  2:05 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-26  7:03   ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26  8:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:37       ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:13         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:42           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-26 13:45             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:02         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 20:02       ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-26 20:30         ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 20:47           ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-27  3:43             ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-27 19:12               ` Tal Zussman
2026-03-27 19:43                 ` Gregory Price
2026-03-27  8:07         ` [Lsf-pc] " Vlastimil Babka
2026-03-27  9:29           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:06   ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 12:31     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:17       ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:26         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:21   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26  7:12 ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 13:44   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 15:24     ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 18:21       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26  7:18 ` wangzicheng
2026-03-26 11:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 15:24   ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 15:35     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:32       ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 16:40         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 19:53       ` Johannes Weiner
2026-04-07 11:36         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-07 16:56           ` Gregory Price
2026-04-07 17:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-07 17:52               ` Johannes Weiner
2026-04-07 18:37               ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-03-26 18:49   ` Shakeel Butt

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